Four Top Schools Team Up to Support Minority Students

[theworldismine13]

Actually, by allowing a student a chance in one of the most competitive schools out there, you're giving them the opportunity to grow as a student and person at a faster rate than in other schools. You're not only provided more resources, materials, and professors at a larger/better university, but you're also forced to challenge yourself to be at the level of the other students there. THIS makes you a better student.

Better classes DO USE more expensive resources, hence the best teachers, lecture materials, and access to workshops are at better schools.

I don't understand the last part of your argument, are you saying that lower rated schools have those ratings because they are more in demand?

that isnt true, if you go to a school that you are not competitive for you have less chance of graduating, its called a matching problem

The Painful Truth About Affirmative Action
http://www.theatlantic.com/national...ainful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/

Black students more likely to graduate than others at UC Riverside
http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/black-students-more-likely-graduate-others-uc-riverside-1158

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

the bulk of the admission process is based on objective criteria like grades and test scores and the reason why people dont get in is because of grades and test scores, there is zero evidence of any racism in the admission process

if less black people are getting in its because of low test scores and grades not because of the process, the real problem is the low number of black students that graduate from HS without even meeting the minimum requirements to APPLY to a UC, much less be accepted

but overall the number of black students in the whole UC system has increased not decreased

Sure

that isnt true, if you go to a school that you are not competitive for you have less chance of graduating, its called a matching problem

The Painful Truth About Affirmative Action
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/the-painful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/

Black students more likely to graduate than others at UC Riverside
http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/black-students-more-likely-graduate-others-uc-riverside-1158

How come Stanford had a 95% graduation rate for minorities who were accepted due to AA then?

 

[wheywhey]

At the 5 minute mark Thomas Sowell discusses the problems black students have when they are mismatched at universities.

 

[Serious]

At the 5 minute mark Thomas Sowell discusses the problems black students have when they are mismatched at universities.

@DEAD7

 

[theworldismine13]

At the 5 minute mark Thomas Sowell discusses the problems black students have when they are mismatched at universities.

powerful stuff

 

[wheywhey]

Sure



How come Stanford had a 95% graduation rate for minorities who were accepted due to AA then?

Private, highly selective schools with large endowments have the highest graduation percentages for blacks. The only public school on the list is the University of Virginia.
http://www.jbhe.com/features/58_gradratesracialgap.html

I found this quote in the comments. section of a Washington Monthly article on College Dropout Factories.

Harvard's four year graduation rate is 97 percent. The overall rate of BA obtainment is almost certainly higher, and of course the drop-outs include Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg.

You might think that Harvard takes the figure for granted, but my experience has been that it doesn't. Harvard students are monitored closely. The list of people who are at some point responsible for monitoring the academic progress of students includes freshman advisers (almost all faculty, including star professors, serve as freshman advisers), freshman writing preceptors, a "dean of freshmen," three assistant deans of freshmen, "tutors" who live with students, a sophomore adviser, and then advisers assigned by the majors. As a senior, I still have three different people signing off on various decisions. 97% wouldn't be surviving the rigors if this weren't the case.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/feature/college_dropout_factories.php?page=all

 

[NvrCMyNut]

I notice how they didn't include Asians

 

[kermit da hustla]

Excellent point. You will get daps and +reps. The return on attending a top school and doing well in school is massive.

Bullshyt. There are plenty of people who graduated from top schools and did well who can't even find a job now. None of this matters until republicans lose the house and we have a left wing majority on the Supreme Court so that citizens united can be overturned.

 

[rapbeats]

thats nice, so that is what what white people are doing about it, what are black people doing to increase our representation at these top schools?

living life. the more they see their own that have already had degrees in these fields but were not a part of the faculty/staff. now become a part of the faculty staff.. the more you will have young black kids going harder in these subjects so they can one day be just like Professor Such and Such.

the more you see of the current crop thats out there end up being faculty staff. the more students you will see in the future. and it will continue to grow.

 

[theworldismine13]

living life. the more they see their own that have already had degrees in these fields but were not a part of the faculty/staff. now become a part of the faculty staff.. the more you will have young black kids going harder in these subjects so they can one day be just like Professor Such and Such.

the more you see of the current crop thats out there end up being faculty staff. the more students you will see in the future. and it will continue to grow.

even when affirmative action was in full effect the numbers of black students and faculty at places like UC berkely and UCLA was miniscule, AA was a failure by any objective measurement

so your theory sounds nice but its bullshyt

the real problem is cultural and its people like yourself that go around telling other black people how college is a waste of money

you use to write essays on why college is a waste dont even come here giving advice on how to get more black college students

 

[DEAD7]

Sowell with that cold truth

 

[Big Boss]

At the 5 minute mark Thomas Sowell discusses the problems black students have when they are mismatched at universities.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

Private, highly selective schools with large endowments have the highest graduation percentages for blacks. The only public school on the list is the University of Virginia.
http://www.jbhe.com/features/58_gradratesracialgap.html

I found this quote in the comments. section of a Washington Monthly article on College Dropout Factories.

It doesn't change the fact that minorities are able to succeed in highly competitive places if given the proper resources.

 

[theworldismine13]

It doesn't change the fact that minorities are able to succeed in highly competitive places if given the proper resources.

Who said otherwise?

 

[godkiller]

that isnt true, if you go to a school that you are not competitive for you have less chance of graduating, its called a matching problem

The Painful Truth About Affirmative Action
http://www.theatlantic.com/national...ainful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/

Black students more likely to graduate than others at UC Riverside
http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/black-students-more-likely-graduate-others-uc-riverside-1158

You say "there's a less chance you have of graduating" but it's a foregone conclusion that a person who gets into a better school with AA has a lower chance of graduating. Whether a person takes advantage of what they are given is up to them and I know of professionals who are doing well. Generally it's better for a person to go to a better school. The entire bullshyt about "the painful truth of AA" is cac complainin b/c they think AA is unfair. That's all it is.