FORMER WWE WRITER PROVIDES SIX-POINT PLAN TO FIX RAW

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It's hard to say that Vince "stole" from Heyman when he was giving Heyman and ECW money and talent, and Heyman was offering creative ideas from 1995 all the way to the end, and was officially on the payroll before his company even went under. Shotgun Saturday Night was originally done with Heyman finding the venues each week. Throughout 1997, Vince allowed his talent, video footage, trademarks, logos, television, and promotional efforts to be used to prop ECW. The main angle that year was a WWF "invasion", with WWF talent coming in regularly, guys sending promos from WWF studios, RVD/Sabu coming out with a WWF banner for most of the year.

He paid Paul for talent he signed for a year after the fact, he sent guys back when ECW needed something big or were in a crisis, he helped keep ECW in business longer than it would have otherwise, and again, Paul was sending in creative and booking ideas the entire duration of their relationship from 1995-2000. Vince did more for ECW than probably any other company he ever worked with/rummaged. He paid to use the ECW style and swagger, and Paul happily accepted the payment and helped him do it.

 

[Stop_It_5]

Entertainment culture had completely passed him up 25+ years ago. The shyt and topical humor on Raw in 1993-1995 is so terrible, but when things hit rock bottom he wasn't old enough to be completely set in his ways and so he ran with shyt in the Attitude Era he didn't like or understand but stuck with it because it worked and he was more pliable. Now he's in his mid 70s and has no reason to listen to anyone ever, and as an old man is more contrary and prone to random changes than ever, so you add all that together and you get WWE today.

He's done interviews talking about how he didn't like the AE product, didn't understand it, still doesn't understand why it blew up like it did.

Yup, I don't think there's any greater testament to that than the Mr. McMahon character. It's one of the greatest heels ever and it helped take the product to new heights, but according to Prichard Vince never wanted to do it and never liked doing it. He just wanted to stay behind the scenes or do commentary.

 

[Hey_zeus]

SNL died with Farley, Hartman, etc. Raw being a variety show is what fukked it up already. Pro Wrestling is simulated sports with winners and losers and rooting interests.

This. It's already SNL/a sketch show about wrestling. Instead of being a wrestling show.

 

[Hostile]

back in the 90s Raw was technically 2 shows, Monday Night Raw and Raw is War.

I think you mean Raw is War and War Zone.

 

[El Poyo Loco]

The promo Heyman cut on Vince the smackdown before the survivor series in 2001

Combine that promo with Joey Styles promo

 

[NYChase718]

"make it like Saturday Night Live"

Vinces idea


"A new celebrity host to GM every week and star in the main event goddaaaammitttttt and a Flo rida performance every night!!!"

 

[Mikael Blowpiff]

*snorts massive line* GODDAMNIT PAUL GET SAMMY SOSA FROM LORNE MICHAELS NOW! I WANT A HOME RUN CONTRST AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY RAW!!!

 

[HollywoodP]

I like the idea of treating Raw as 3 one hour shows. That could make it more interesting if done right. Rotating characters would seem like a good idea but if they didn't do that shyt before the brand split they likely aint gonna do it afterwords. They're too stuck in their ways of doing things. Which is probably the biggest problem with Raw.

Its gonna take alot more than that shyt to fix Raw tho.

 

[MrFirst2doit]

It's hard to say that Vince "stole" from Heyman when he was giving Heyman and ECW money and talent, and Heyman was offering creative ideas from 1995 all the way to the end, and was officially on the payroll before his company even went under. Shotgun Saturday Night was originally done with Heyman finding the venues each week. Throughout 1997, Vince allowed his talent, video footage, trademarks, logos, television, and promotional efforts to be used to prop ECW. The main angle that year was a WWF "invasion", with WWF talent coming in regularly, guys sending promos from WWF studios, RVD/Sabu coming out with a WWF banner for most of the year.

He paid Paul for talent he signed for a year after the fact, he sent guys back when ECW needed something big or were in a crisis, he helped keep ECW in business longer than it would have otherwise, and again, Paul was sending in creative and booking ideas the entire duration of their relationship from 1995-2000. Vince did more for ECW than probably any other company he ever worked with/rummaged. He paid to use the ECW style and swagger, and Paul happily accepted the payment and helped him do it.

I'm not sure I buy the idea that Vince was ever a filter for Russo. Russo has some great ideas and a bunch of terrible ideas. The great ideas far outweighed the bad because he had some guys like Austin and Rock who were generational talents. The writing week to week was more coherent because Vince wasn't rewriting the show at the last minute and there weren't 20 people in the room.

Vince didn't understand why some of the angles and stories were hot, what WWE was doing is taking ideas from Heyman at the time. ECW started a lot of what was going on but WWE had a bigger budget and stars who looked like stars.

That's all this was. WCW stole from Japan and WWE stole from Heyman.

100% Facts, You are right WCW stole from Japan and WWE mostly stole from Heyman but you forgot one too, WWF also stole from WCW.

Basically, The attitude era is basically Russo (huge Howard Stern fan) mixing Howard Stern trash TV/ Shock schtick, Vince's potty humor, mixed with WCW-influenced "reality wrestling" (Using real names, less cartoony, more "shoot" stuff, stables), and ECWs "grittiness" and "edgy characters" and TV presentation.......(Austin being Sandman, The barb wire and fence imagery graphics, etc)

Russo was the true mastermind with blending all those together, in fact, Vince contribution (Potty humor) actually was the weakest influence of the four..

I do not understand how people don't see this, the attitude era really started on Feb. 24, 1997 when ECW invaded...the screw job didn't happen till November of that year, remember Hall "invading" Nitro was the previous May 1996 so this was WWE's answer to that. They also were heavily borrowing aspects of ECWs momentum and swag so this was meant to be sort of a "rub" or "appeasement" so to keep ECW and it's fans from complaining, breaking off some crumbs plus riding the coat tails of the hottest thing going at the time.

 

[stro]

100% Facts, You are right WCW stole from Japan and WWE mostly stole from Heyman but you forgot one too, WWF also stole from WCW.

Basically, The attitude era is basically Russo (huge Howard Stern fan) mixing Howard Stern trash TV/ Shock schtick, Vince's potty humor, mixed with WCW-influenced "reality wrestling" (Using real names, less cartoony, more "shoot" stuff, stables), and ECWs "grittiness" and "edgy characters" and TV presentation.......(Austin being Sandman, The barb wire and fence imagery graphics, etc)

Russo was the true mastermind with blending all those together, in fact, Vince contribution (Potty humor) actually was the weakest influence of the four..

I do not understand how people don't see this, the attitude era really started on Feb. 24, 1997 when ECW invaded...the screw job didn't happen till November of that year, remember Hall "invading" Nitro was the previous May 1996 so this was WWE's answer to that. They also were heavily borrowing aspects of ECWs momentum and swag so this was meant to be sort of a "rub" or "appeasement" so to keep ECW and it's fans from complaining, breaking off some crumbs plus riding the coat tails of the hottest thing going at the time.

Outside of drinking beer, Austin and Sandman were nothing a like whatsoever. And it's not like Sandman was the first guy drinking beers on wrestling TV. Or smoking. Or even using kendo sticks. Their characters, their personalities, their working style, their physical qualifications, how their characters were used were all entirely different. It's literally the most shallow reading possible to take Austin as a Sandman knock off or even being influenced by Sandman.

 

[MrFirst2doit]

Outside of drinking beer, Austin and Sandman were nothing a like whatsoever. And it's not like Sandman was the first guy drinking beers on wrestling TV. Or smoking. Or even using kendo sticks. Their characters, their personalities, their working style, their physical qualifications, how their characters were used were all entirely different. It's literally the most shallow reading possible to take Austin as a Sandman knock off or even being influenced by Sandman.

They were both presented as beer-guzzling anti-hero every man's . Yes, there are differences (that you mentioned) but the Austin 3:16 character definitely had "influences" from Sandman that much is clear. He may not be a carbon copy but let's reword it to "influenced" by.... better?

 

[stro]

They were both presented as beer-guzzling anti-hero every man's . Yes, there are differences (that you mentioned) but the Austin 3:16 character definitely had "influences" from Sandman that much is clear. He may not be a carbon copy but let's reword it to "influenced" by.... better?

Sandman's anti-hero every man aspect didn't come until AFTER Austin blew up. Really it never developed at all, even as a face he was portrayed as a degenerate piece of trash. When he transitioned away from the surfer guy gimmick into what would become The Sandman, he was...a degenerate piece of trash who didn't even care about wrestling, he was just in the business to, literally, pimp his wife out, and collecting payments was all he cared about. It wasn't until deep into his THIRD title reign that he even gave a shyt about winning lol. He wasn't an anti-authority rebel, he was just a drunk piece of shyt who liked to fight.

Compare that to Austin, who in every incarnation of his character through USWA/WCW/ECW/WWF was a finely tuned athlete who was driven to be the absolute best in the business no matter what who refused to take no for an answer to the point of beating the shyt out of his boss when his boss didn't want him representing the company. And then when the time came, siding with that boss if it meant he got to be on top again.

One was a drunk pimp who liked to fight for beer money in front of mutant fans and especially in 1999-2000 was portrayed as being constantly hammered even during matches, so tough because he's too drunk to feel anything.

The other was a collegiate athlete determined to be the biggest star in the business no matter who it pissed off or who he had to cross to get there and was the toughest son of a bytch around and would beat the shyt out of anyone. But yeah they're pretty much the same because they both liked beer.