For true liberation, Black Lives Matter is not enough

[Elle Driver]

And here you are be willfully ignorant, just like the people that respond with #alllivesmatter.

You know exactly what the movement is about.


And using this logic you would been calling out Dr King, Malcom X and any other leader/movement. Cause none of them addressed ALL the issues at the same time.

This movement is nowhere near the work Dr. King and Malcolm X have done for the community. I wouldn't even call it a movement at all. Mass incarceration, the war of drugs came AFTER Dr. King and Malcolm's time, you're clearly the one who's playing ignorant. Like I said, if you're a black liberation movement then you're addressing the issues that work in conjuction with police brutality, not just police brutality. You're addressing poverty, high unemployment rates, the privatization of schools/prisons, the school to prison pipline, gentrification, etc. It's a matter of attacking Congress, attacking the war on drugs which grants police officers the money to use military armor and military tactics on it's citizens. Going straight to the source and fight against it.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

This movement is nowhere near the work Dr. King and Malcolm X have done for the community.

I never said it was. I said under your logic of "criticizing" things that aren't be all end all solutions, they would fall under your umbrella of criticism.

You like to build and attack strawman I see.

I wouldn't even call it a movement at all.

They have presidential candidates talking about black issues in a way they NEVER have before. Not even Obama talked about these issues while campaigning.

If that's all they get done, they've accomplished a lot.

Mass incarceration, the war of drugs came AFTER Dr. King and Malcolm's time, you're clearly the one who's playing ignorant. Like I said, if you're a black liberation movement then you're addressing the issues that work in conjuction with police brutality, not just police brutality. You're addressing poverty, high unemployment rates, the privatization of schools/prisons, the school to prison pipline, gentrification, etc. It's a matter of attacking Congress, attacking the war on drugs which grants police officers the money to use military armor and military tactics on it's citizens.

That's all great, but in the meantime what is wrong with advocating things like cameras on police officers and demilitarization?

 

[Elle Driver]

I never said it was. I said under your logic of "criticizing" things that aren't be all end all solutions, they would fall under your umbrella of criticism.

You like to build and attack strawman I see.



They have presidential candidates talking about black issues in a way they NEVER have before. Not even Obama talked about these issues while campaigning.

If that's all they get done, they've accomplished a lot.


That's all great, but in the meantime what is wrong with advocating things like cameras on police officers and demilitarization?

Nah, your point is "at least they're doing something". Which I think is dumb, no movement is infallible and you keep moving goal posts because you can't effectively rebut what I'm criticizing about them.

Obama is entering his final stage of presidency, he actually expanded the Bryne grant which funds police, prisons, law enforcement and courts to get "tough on crime" (i.e. put black people away for petty drug crimes and label them felons, branded by society and unable to work or find housing). I don't see a problem with advocating for cameras and demilitarization, but there's a strategic way of doing things. That's merely a symptom of a bigger problem here. They can put body cameras on them and demilitarize them, but that doesn't stop them from filling up prisons with more and more black people.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Nah, your point is "at least they're doing something". Which I think is dumb, no movement is infallible and you keep moving goal posts because you can't effectively rebut what I'm criticizing about them.

Your criticism is based on broken logic.

They never claimed to be THE solution for all problems.

They are advocating SOME solutions to SOME problems.

You are attacking a strawman, just as you do with every post I make.

Obama is entering his final stage of presidency, he actually expanded the Bryne grant which funds police, prisons, law enforcement and courts to get "tough on crime" (i.e. put black people away for petty drug crimes and label them felons, branded by society and unable to work or find housing). I don't see a problem with advocating for cameras and demilitarization, but there's a strategic way of doing things. That's merely a symptom of a bigger problem here. They can put body cameras on them and demilitarize them, but that doesn't stop them from filling up prisons with more and more black people.

So if you catch a cold, you gone "criticize" Tylenol for not addressing the microbes that gave you the cold

 

[Poitier]

If your movement can't stand criticism from the people its supposedly for then its weak.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If your movement can't stand criticism from the people its supposedly for then its weak.

MLK was "weak"?

 

[Poitier]

MLK was "weak"?

MLK was open to criticim and changed over time i.e. Poor People's Campaign

 

[MeachTheMonster]

MLK was open to criticim and changed over time i.e. Poor People's Campaign

Who said BLM couldn't/wouldn't change?

They actually have heard and addressed criticisms

The "change" yall are asking for defies logic.

Like I said before it's like attacking Tylenol for not being antimicrobial.

 

[Poitier]

Who said BLM couldn't/wouldn't change?

They actually have heard and addressed criticisms

Obviously not

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Obviously not

"Throw your movement in the bushes and get some new goals"

Isn't a valid criticism

 

[Poitier]

"Throw your movement in the bushes and get some new goals"

No, more like "add these overarching objectives to your movement"

 

[MeachTheMonster]

No, more like "add these overarching objectives to your movement"

So if I came up with a plan to address unfair prison sentencing, you gone "criticize" me for not talking about poverty, systemic racism, education, police violence, etc, etc?

 

[Poitier]

So if I came up with a plan to address unfair prison sentencing, you gone "criticize" me for not talking about poverty, systemic racism, education, police violence, etc, etc?

If it doesn't address most of those then it isn't much of a plan.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If it doesn't address most of those then it isn't much of a plan.

That's bogus and you know it.

There is no all encompassing "plan"

You go to congress to get sentencing guidelines changed, you are not gonna talk about unfair hiring practices.

 

[How Sway?]

I see nothing wrong with BLM,

they just need more direction as a movement....