For Real This Time. Canelo Vs. GGG Part 2. #NoExcuses Edition. Sept 15th 2018.

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FreedMind

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say man..i think its time to replace that sig of yours with something updated related to clenelo and cheating..dont you think? :hhh:

Tainted beef ain't nothing, we gonna bounce back.:mjgrin:

I'm taking @GzUp avi in September and updating my sig as soon as Wilder knocks out Joshua.:mjgrin:

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:mjgrin: @((ReFleX)) change that thread title big dog

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Breadman on Canelo being caught:

Sanchez and Team GGG were smart. You should applaud them and not make this racial. They asked VADA to test Canelo 11 weeks out from the fight instead of the usual 8 weeks out. Do you really think it was a coincidence they caught him so far out from the fight? Most of the cheaters are smart. They have smart people cycling them on and off drugs. So they cycle and get the benefits long before camp. Canelo is one of the few fighters who was tested that far away from the actual event. In my opinion that’s all that happened. They tested him early which was brilliant.

There are many cheaters in boxing that have NOT been caught yet. We all know that. Maybe by catching the face of boxing and making an example out of him will clean up the sport a bit. It’s troublesome that somehow you guys think Canelo was picked on and this was a racial thing. He failed two tests before the biggest fight of his life! His biggest career threat! And now you’re mad! What I have found out in light of Canelo being caught is that most people in boxing don’t care if “their” guy cheats. They just don’t want them to get caught. Very few care about cleaning up boxing and creating a level playing field for all.

I personally applaud GGG, Abel Sanchez and Tom Loeffler for being influential in catching Canelo. You guys should also. And for the record the last time I checked none of them are black.
 

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Breadman on Canelo being caught:

Sanchez and Team GGG were smart. You should applaud them and not make this racial. They asked VADA to test Canelo 11 weeks out from the fight instead of the usual 8 weeks out. Do you really think it was a coincidence they caught him so far out from the fight? Most of the cheaters are smart. They have smart people cycling them on and off drugs. So they cycle and get the benefits long before camp. Canelo is one of the few fighters who was tested that far away from the actual event. In my opinion that’s all that happened. They tested him early which was brilliant.

There are many cheaters in boxing that have NOT been caught yet. We all know that. Maybe by catching the face of boxing and making an example out of him will clean up the sport a bit. It’s troublesome that somehow you guys think Canelo was picked on and this was a racial thing. He failed two tests before the biggest fight of his life! His biggest career threat! And now you’re mad! What I have found out in light of Canelo being caught is that most people in boxing don’t care if “their” guy cheats. They just don’t want them to get caught. Very few care about cleaning up boxing and creating a level playing field for all.

I personally applaud GGG, Abel Sanchez and Tom Loeffler for being influential in catching Canelo. You guys should also. And for the record the last time I checked none of them are black.

I wonder if he will be tested often before his next fight, question is how often and how much in advance.
 

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Breadman on Canelo being caught:

Sanchez and Team GGG were smart. You should applaud them and not make this racial. They asked VADA to test Canelo 11 weeks out from the fight instead of the usual 8 weeks out. Do you really think it was a coincidence they caught him so far out from the fight? Most of the cheaters are smart. They have smart people cycling them on and off drugs. So they cycle and get the benefits long before camp. Canelo is one of the few fighters who was tested that far away from the actual event. In my opinion that’s all that happened. They tested him early which was brilliant.

There are many cheaters in boxing that have NOT been caught yet. We all know that. Maybe by catching the face of boxing and making an example out of him will clean up the sport a bit. It’s troublesome that somehow you guys think Canelo was picked on and this was a racial thing. He failed two tests before the biggest fight of his life! His biggest career threat! And now you’re mad! What I have found out in light of Canelo being caught is that most people in boxing don’t care if “their” guy cheats. They just don’t want them to get caught. Very few care about cleaning up boxing and creating a level playing field for all.

I personally applaud GGG, Abel Sanchez and Tom Loeffler for being influential in catching Canelo. You guys should also. And for the record the last time I checked none of them are black.

but when floyd wanted random blood testing he was a scared coward and the rules were fine:russ:

funny how the narrative switches depending on who it is

sounds like canelo got caught slippin to b honest, and i'm a fan

he'll bounce back tho, he can't afford to get caught again so he'll definitely be clean
 

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but when floyd wanted random blood testing he was a scared coward and the rules were fine:russ:

funny how the narrative switches depending on who it is

sounds like canelo got caught slippin to b honest, and i'm a fan

he'll bounce back tho, he can't afford to get caught again so he'll definitely be clean
So u assume he’ll be a clean fighter from here on?

When do u think he started juicing?
 

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So u assume he’ll be a clean fighter from here on?

When do u think he started juicing?
Honestly i have no idea
Might of started last fight
That 11 weeks out testing tells me it wasnt just a accident

And yeah lll assume hes clean now, another failed test can really mess Up his career. I dont think hes dumb enough to risk it
 

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but when floyd wanted random blood testing he was a scared coward and the rules were fine:russ:

funny how the narrative switches depending on who it is

sounds like canelo got caught slippin to b honest, and i'm a fan

he'll bounce back tho, he can't afford to get caught again so he'll definitely be clean
He'll just be come better at not being caught. At the level he's playing he can't afford not to cheat. It will expose his weaknesses badly
 

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He'll just be come better at not being caught. At the level he's playing he can't afford not to cheat. It will expose his weaknesses badly
Which is why he needs to sign up for random year round testing....nonito donaire does it and pays for it himself..its the Only way
 

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So canelo out until sept? That means a lil g rematch not happening until 2019
 

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Long but interesting. A reader wrote in and Breadman basically co-signed the whole thing and says that is what is being talked about behind the scenes in boxing:

This is a long email but I think you would find some of this interesting.

I've been a member of an enormous Mexican soccer forum for over a decade, which has quite a large user base. There is a boxing sub-forum and I've seen personally how racial identification can make people so blind to even admitting there's some oddities regarding Canelo's failed tests.

Researching the various articles written about the subject, I've found most information was copied and pasted across the media so no one really offered anything different. Through personal research these are important points I have found which many people refuse to acknowledge.

1) Canelo was tested unexpectedly 11 weeks from the fight. Most camps are 6-8 weeks and this is typically when the fighters are tested. Abel Sanchez allegedly lobbied for more stringent testing, and this is why Canelo was tested so far back.

2) Canelo waited 5 weeks to have his hair tested. There is a lot of confusion regarding the headlines about this and i wanted to make the following clear, because 98% of articles are blindly repeating the same thing erroneously without researching or having a basic knowledge of chemistry. The hair test was NOT performed to determine the origin of the Clen. An endogenous chemical like clen taken from meat or from a syringe or from a strippers butthole will look exactly the same in the body - like Clen. It's not going to change and analyzing one's hair doesn't give a hint of the origin of the clen. It's like looking at someone's fecal matter and trying to determine if the protein they consumed was from beef purchased at McDonalds or Burger King. That's simple not how it works.

I researched steroid testing (there's entire forums with olympic and professional athletes giving each other advice on how to pass tests), and the only thing I could find which would give the media/Golden Boy this idea of hair testing was one person postulating on an independent website "High levels of Clen in hair could potentially indicate long term use." What it doesn't mention is that Clen is not needed long term, a 4 week cycle is enough, and furthermore long term use of Clen is actually counter productive, as the body builds a tolerance (much like any endogenous chemical) and becomes ineffective over longer periods of time.

What NO main stream media article includes is the fact that many factors come into play with hair testing to determine consistent use: the length of one's hair, the time which has passed since the substance was taken (5 weeks anyone?), the dose of the chemical (I believe clen is taken in micro-gram doses), etc.

3) He literally tested positive twice. If the mainstream media was correct that "clen stays in the hair for 6 weeks' he should have tested positive with his hair test regardless, just in lower levels "not consistent with long term use." Again, this is poor research from the media. No one seems to question why the test returned negative when he tested positive twice before. By their own logic regarding the hair test, they've contradicted themselves and failed to see it.

4) Here is where a bit of research and speculation come into play. Earlier this year the WBC personally released a list of Boxers not enrolled in VADA testing. Boxingscene posted this list. Canelo's name was not on the list, making it seems as though he was indeed enrolled in the testing. It is a requirement for anyone competing for a WBC belt to be enrolled in VADA testing. It was announced during the hearing that VADA personally stated Canelo is not currently enrolled, nor has he been enrolled in VADA's volunatry testing program. He was tested this time because it's in the fight contract, not because he's voluntarily enrolled in the program. I find it very strange that the WBC president has been blindly supportive of Canelo being clean despite Canleo not being enrolled into a program he requires his champions to be enrolled in. It also makes me wonder why he refused to fight for the WBC title last year. I would like to research when the WBC made these mandates with regards to being tested, if it was before or after Canelo fought Cotto. To me this is a clear indication that there is something suspicious at play.

4) It seems as though (i've read this though haven't been able to find official rules), that now that Canelo is suspended, he's out of jurisdiction to be tested. He's also not enrolled in any voluntary testing. So the next potential time he has to be tested is in the window before his september fight, five months to eat as much meat as he wants. This is also highly suspicious from a man that insists he will do anything to prove he's a clean fighter.

I think blind nationalism is terrible. I can't imagine how someone can support Canelo despite all these red flags just because he's Mexican. I am very disappointed in the mainstream media for repeating erroneous storylines like "His hair test proves he didn't take clen." I think if anything these things should be brought to the attention of someone important in the media. I have absolutely no faith, as a Mexican, that Canelo is a clean fighter. Every single indication points otherwise.

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