Fatal Flaw in the idea that humans have any vital role in the composition of the universe

[ryshy]

Im watching this joe rogan video where hes saying we dont know if the universe isnt just one humans imagination, but if that was the case than how have we dated things before humans existed. The universe may have been created by beings in another universe, but it doesnt really make sense to me that the universe would have been made by or in part created by humans, unless there are humans in other universes capable of doing this.

I think joe rogan is wayy too presumptious and makes statements that are easily ripped apart because they make no sense, the way he talks makes you think its supposed to make no sense and thats because it does, not because its really true.

 

[tmonster]

Im watching this joe rogan video where hes saying we dont know if the universe isnt just one humans imagination, but if that was the case than how have we dated things before humans existed. The universe may have been created by beings in another universe, but it doesnt really make sense to me that the universe would have been made by or in part created by humans, unless there are humans in other universes capable of doing this.

I think joe rogan is wayy too presumptious and makes statements that are easily ripped apart because they make no sense, the way he talks makes you think its supposed to make no sense and thats because it does, not because its really true.

I can prove to you (or anyone interested) that the universe is not in your imagination and that you already know that it that you could never prove it

take a syringe with a 25 gauge needle attached
hold it in your dominant hand
lay on your other flat on stable surface
now raise the syringe as high as you can above your other hand on the table, with the needle facing down
Drop it on your hand and immediately attempt to imagine that does not impale your hand (don't worry that needle is tiny)
repeat 10,000 times (for statistical significance of course)
You are free to imagine the needle away from your hand by any mechanism, logical or magical
record the data

the results should tell you whether reality depends on your imagination in any way shape or form

 

[Poitier]

when people say the universe is in your head they don't mean the physical world but that the perceptual world is a product of brain anatomy and function. there are PLENTY of studies that show cognitions and beliefs affect perception i.e. size of objects, perception of time, color perception, etc

 

[godkiller]

Im watching this joe rogan video where hes saying we dont know if the universe isnt just one humans imagination, but if that was the case than how have we dated things before humans existed. The universe may have been created by beings in another universe, but it doesnt really make sense to me that the universe would have been made by or in part created by humans, unless there are humans in other universes capable of doing this.

I think joe rogan is wayy too presumptious and makes statements that are easily ripped apart because they make no sense, the way he talks makes you think its supposed to make no sense and thats because it does, not because its really true.

Joe Rogan was the first one to introduce you to the theory that world we live in might by a figment of our imaginations, and that none of our experience might be real? I learned that 2 years ago in a first year Philosophy course. Rogan is right but I don't think knowing whether world is real or fake matters. We experience it as real and so that experience alone is what validates the universe to us. Even if this world is fake it is all we have.

 

[ryshy]

when people say the universe is in your head they don't mean the physical world but that the perceptual world is a product of brain anatomy and function. there are PLENTY of studies that show cognitions and beliefs affect perception i.e. size of objects, perception of time, color perception, etc

ok that makes more sense i feel stupid for not already figuring that out

 

[tmonster]

when people say the universe is in your head they don't mean the physical world but that the perceptual world is a product of brain anatomy and function. there are PLENTY of studies that show cognitions and beliefs affect perception i.e. size of objects, perception of time, color perception, etc

that is implicitly the point of my post as well
some shyt the brain interprets, some shyt is real ie has predictable causality not subject to any human whims or perception

the test I proposed above is done properly with a life or death scenario
people who would fail it are considered crazy by society and deleted by evolution

 

[Poitier]

the test I proposed above is done properly with a life or death scenario
people who would fail it are considered crazy by society and deleted by evolution

Yeah but that is going of an assumption not a fact. You can work around something like that if you believe in simulation theory where the world works like some kind of MMORPG.

 

[tmonster]

Yeah but that is going of an assumption not a fact. You can work around something like that if you believe in simulation theory where the world works like some kind of MMORPG.

give me on example of working around it

 

[Poitier]

give me on example of working around it

Not that this is any way verifiable but this is how some choose to think about the perceptual AND physical world. like it was said before, it doesn't really matter because we view this reality as real.

 

[NZA]

the truth appears to be more complicated than real or fake. it's more like feal or rake

 

[zerozero]

I can prove to you (or anyone interested) that the universe is not in your imagination and that you already know that it that you could never prove it

take a syringe with a 25 gauge needle attached
hold it in your dominant hand
lay on your other flat on stable surface
now raise the syringe as high as you can above your other hand on the table, with the needle facing down
Drop it on your hand and immediately attempt to imagine that does not impale your hand (don't worry that needle is tiny)
repeat 10,000 times (for statistical significance of course)
You are free to imagine the needle away from your hand by any mechanism, logical or magical
record the data

the results should tell you whether reality depends on your imagination in any way shape or form

breh that doesn't solve the philosophical problem
the idea is that the needle going through your hand could itself just be your mind telling you that
your conscious will wanting to push the needle away doesn't mean the needle and your hand etc really exist

 

[tmonster]

breh that doesn't solve the philosophical problem
the idea is that the needle going through your hand could itself just be your mind telling you that
your conscious will wanting to push the needle away doesn't mean the needle and your hand etc really exist

:zfg: you don't really believe that and you damn sure would not bet your hand on it, it's some shyt we've heard people say and it sounds interesting to repeat but...

 

[tmonster]

Not that this is any way verifiable

this topic is difficult enough already, we're fukked if we go that route :zfg:

 

[godkiller]

:zfg: you don't really believe that and you damn sure would not bet your hand on it, it's some shyt we've heard people say and it sounds interesting to repeat but...

The fact is we have no idea whether the world in which we live and how we perceive it is real or an illusion. It could be we are a brain in a septic tank or that we are are ephereal beings floating around in a vast universe with an affect which stimulates our consciousness. That's the crux of the discussion.

 

[Poppa_Dock]

Im watching this joe rogan video where hes saying we dont know if the universe isnt just one humans imagination, but if that was the case than how have we dated things before humans existed. The universe may have been created by beings in another universe, but it doesnt really make sense to me that the universe would have been made by or in part created by humans, unless there are humans in other universes capable of doing this.

I think joe rogan is wayy too presumptious and makes statements that are easily ripped apart because they make no sense, the way he talks makes you think its supposed to make no sense and thats because it does, not because its really true.

joe rogan is a lame sometimes. He always goes on these rants about how smokers don't care abotu their bodies, so that's why they litter A dude like him really needs to just go eat a big mac stfu and calm down for 3 seconds.