Fat Joe:"The 1st Time I Ever Met 'Pac He Had 2 Guns In His Hands"

[Fortunate Lee]

The irony here is that you're shytting on and calling out people who needlessly wanna label Pac as soft or a pretender in order to unnecessarily discredit him........and then in the same breath needlessly ignore his obvious gangbanging relationships and actions in order to unnecessarily glorify him.

Pac independently chose of his own free will to associate himself with a gang and conduct himself with gang activities, which was the primary reason he was murdered. Acknowledging that fact doesn't somehow not make him a great legendary artist and figure, nor does it eliminate loyalty as an admirable characteristic he possessed.

Why is this so hard to admit?

And this is coming from a fan of Pac, btw.

Pac was almost murdered in 94 and it had nothing to do with gangbanging; more with jealousy and Pac being just Pac

No Orlando, no Suge, no Pirus

So what’s your take on that one?

 

[avon barksdale]

If you think beating someone over a chain when you’re at that level is worth it I just don’t agree at all. And I’m not against loyalty like when jay left beans in a cell and all he had to do was vouch for him that’s disloyalty. What pac did was stupidity. Maybe he was afraid after getting shot in NY and felt he had to have protection but either way he got caught up in stupidity

It wasn't even about the chain..it was more he thought Orlando was with Bad Boys

 

[drugxglory]

“Im lookin’ for somebody”

my nikka Pac was just

 

[Amor fati]

at min 32:30 Joe want so bad question napoleon if he thinks puff is behind pac death.. and then he says “I can’t talk, you in Saudia Arabia, you good”

Yeah I peeped the full interview, Joe said once he didn't want to bring the old can of worms, one he was trying to ask a question.

 

[Day_Walker]

Another reputable person saying Pac wasn't some fake ass bytch, unlike what the contarinas on the internet falsely claim.

Most of them are nerds breh. Best bet is just to ignore them. They've already got their minds made up

 

[Amor fati]

Most of them are nerds breh. Best bet is just to ignore them. They've already got their minds made up

Yep that's some bird mentality. It's best to ignore the double minded.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

A better question to ask is...why is it so important to you to discredit him

Breh, if you can read my post and somehow think what I wrote was an attempt to "discredit" Pac, you're waaaaaaaaaay beyond the level of fandom. You're on the cusp of zealotry.

You do realize that Tupac Shakur was a human being at least, right? You weren't supposed to take the Makavelli album cover literally

 

[iseetrolledpeople]

Biggie died in the same manner Pac did. But I forgot. Biggie was an innocent man who wouldn't harm a fly who moved genius level in the streets and wouldn't get caught up in no gang shyt. It's all everyone elses fault when it comes to Biggie. Oh my bad. None of that shyt is true.

I'm the last to act like a stan and diss the dead just because I like Pac, but Biggie acted like a female.

Sub dissing, playing dumb, lying, and then playing the victim

Where your manhood at breh?

RIP to both though. Sad that 2 talented young guys had to die.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Pac was almost murdered in 94 and it had nothing to do with gangbanging; more with jealousy and Pac being just Pac

No Orlando, no Suge, no Pirus

So what’s your take on that one?

You just summed it up pretty well. The two shootings have nothing to do with one another in regards to what ultimately caused each separate attack.

Not exactly sure what your point is though. Because he got setup by the goons he was rolling with (Henchman and Jack) that somehow means he wasn't participating in gang activities with Suge?

Not really following what you're trying to say here.

 

[Fortunate Lee]

You just summed it up pretty well. The two shootings have nothing to do with one another in regards to what ultimately caused each separate attack.

Not exactly sure what your point is though. Because he got setup by the goons he was rolling with (Henchman and Jack) that somehow means he wasn't participating in gang activities with Suge?

Not really following what you're trying to say here.

It’s to point out how stupid the argument is that if Pac never was "gangbanging" with Suge, he would still be alive

breh was always in some shyt...I doubt he had gangbanging on his mind when stole on Orlando. People confuse loyalty with gang activities

 

[spliz]

It’s to point out how stupid the argument is that if Pac never was "gangbanging" with Suge, he would still be alive

breh was always in some shyt...I doubt he had gangbanging on his mind when stole on Orlando. People confuse loyalty with gang activities

Even the Outlawz have to keep correcting people that it wasn’t gang shyt that made Pac attack Orlando. They even said that it was more loyalty to Death Row than anything. Had nothing to do with Orlando being Crip. And everything to do with Orlando attempting to rob one of his mans. They said Pac ALWAYS been like that tho. That was a dumb move but typical Pac actions. Do shyt first. Think later.

 

[hex]

You just summed it up pretty well. The two shootings have nothing to do with one another in regards to what ultimately caused each separate attack.

Not exactly sure what your point is though. Because he got setup by the goons he was rolling with (Henchman and Jack) that somehow means he wasn't participating in gang activities with Suge?

Not really following what you're trying to say here.

I am loosely following this thread but a common complaint among Pac detractors is he got involved in gang shyt when he didn't have to.

Which is a fair point but he was always in some shyt. DU routinely had to kick him off tour when he was a roadie/dancer....because he'd want to shoot the club up over some random argument. And/or he'd constantly be trying to fight people. And this was around 1990.

So the shyt with Orlando Anderson would've happened (or some variation of it, with somebody Pac was beefing with) totally independent of gang shyt. People (not you, in general) act like Pac was a square like Chris Brown that just woke up one morning and decided to be a gang member. Pac was doing similar shyt to what got him killed.....before anybody even knew who Suge Knight or Death Row was.

Fred.

 

[Jefferson Jackson]

Breh, if you can read my post and somehow think what I wrote was an attempt to "discredit" Pac, you're waaaaaaaaaay beyond the level of fandom. You're on the cusp of zealotry.

You do realize that Tupac Shakur was a human being at least, right? You weren't supposed to take the Makavelli album cover literally

Didn't mean to offend you my dude, it's usually cac's & Tom's that attempt to discredit 'Pac. Didn't mean to box you in that category.

 

[Jefferson Jackson]

“Im lookin’ for somebody”

my nikka Pac was just

That determination

 

[Peruvian Connect]

2Pac was the first Tekashi 69