Fat Joe & Papoose Defend Eminem After Melle Mel Criticism: 'You Can't Deny That Skillset'

[Lord Beasley]

why is eminem the only rapper whos afforded the "you gotta respect the skillset" argument?

but when it comes to black lyricists who make bad music. its a completely different story.

what black lyricists aren't respected? folks will shyt on a song but still call someone a great lyricist,

 

[CoolinInTheCut]

what black lyricists aren't respected?

Twista, Tech N9ne, Busta, Bone Thugs, etc etc... the list goes on

All these rappers have an equal or similar skillset as Em, but because Em was able to sell his music to fans outside of hip hop, he should be respected as one of the top rappers in hip hop?

 

[Wacky D]

to Joe and Pap on this. Gave Em the accolades he deserves. And also gave
hater Melle Mel his flowers for what he did as a pioneer.

joe & papoose said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but the generic "you cant deny eminem's skillset" bullchit that melle mel already addressed in full.

theyre supposed to address melle mel's points, and instead they took the entire conversation backwards with their robotic responses to appease big daddy behind the curtain and whatever white fans theyre trying to attract.

where were they at when joe budden tried to call out melle mel? they didnt care.
are they gonna respond to the ignorant chit that 50 cent just said about melle mel?
if it wasnt for melle mel, these dudes wouldnt even have careers but they stayed silent on all that. meanwhile theyre quick to defend eminem.

are they gonna bring up pusha t's skillset in regards to jim jones calling him out?
of course not. if youre black, youre on your own, unless your squad steps in. but we have stockholm syndrome when it comes to white people not automatically getting the red carpet treatment.

chit like this is the REAL reason why hip-hop died.

 

[Wacky D]

what black lyricists aren't respected? folks will shyt on a song but still call someone a great lyricist,

who said melle mel didnt respect eminem as a lyricist?

you didnt even read what melle mel said.
neither did fat joe or papoose.

 

[Lord Beasley]

Twista, Tech N9ne, Busta, Bone Thugs, etc etc... the list goes on

All these rappers have an equal or similar skillset as Em, but because Em was able to sell his music to fans outside of hip hop, he should be respected as one of the top rappers in hip hop?

you named a bunch of ppl who get their flowers WTF are you talking about? I've never actually heard anyone disrespect twista, bone OR Busta. The only real Tech discourse i've heard outside of the internet was about his content. you're conflating arguments bro

 

[Lord Beasley]

who said melle mel didnt respect eminem as a lyricist?

you didnt even read what melle mel said.
neither did fat joe or papoose.

i responded to a post saying black lyricist didn't get respect when they made bad music. that's a bullshyt argument IMO.

Prime example: ppl been giving top lyricist nods to Andre 3000 when he doesn't even drop music! the last thing he did was an okay feature on Big Mike's album

 

[Red Money]

Twista, Tech N9ne, Busta, Bone Thugs, etc etc... the list goes on

All these rappers have an equal or similar skillset as Em, but because Em was able to sell his music to fans outside of hip hop, he should be respected as one of the top rappers in hip hop?

Andre 3000 no album dropping ass gets Eminem respect. 3000 been a mythical figure since 2008 when he jumped on popular remixes....but didn't drop an album.

 

[Wacky D]

Well shyt...the only credit I give Eminem is that he admitted this lol

"If I was black I woulda sold half"

he didnt admit anything.

half of what eminem sold is still more than anybody not named Nelly was selling back then.

a black eminem is not selling no dam 5 million.

why do yall let these rappers get away with anything that sounds good on the surface?? they be gaming yall.

Yayo was absolutely right on some nikkas treating Eminem like white people treat the black hockey player

Because this level of hate on Eminem is excessive from fans of a genre that currently highlights so many wack artists

Anyway, Eminem will just have to live with continuous popularity on streaming, and respect from his peers, knowing he'll never get respect from dusty hood enclaves

Yayo was wrong.

black people arent even like that. black people are the opposite actually. black people will see a white guy do a basic slam in a dunk contest, and rush the court like he did a 720 backflip.

black people bow down and roll out the red carpet for outsiders.

and then when someone objects to the obvious like melle mel is doing, black people will rush to the aid of the white man so that he remains void of criticism.

i responded to a post saying black lyricist didn't get respect when they made bad music. that's a bullshyt argument IMO.

Prime example: ppl been giving top lyricist nods to Andre 3000 when he doesn't even drop music! the last thing he did was an okay feature on Big Mike's album

youre coming at the wrong one with that. im notoriously hated on this board for pointing out that outkast is overrated.

what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

 

[Lord Beasley]

youre coming at the wrong one with that. im notoriously hated on this board for pointing out that outkast is overrated.

what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

my point was i haven't seen any great black lyricists get disrespect AS LYRICISTS for dropping bad music. Did you read the post i initially responded to or did you just jump out the window?

 

[Wacky D]

you named a bunch of ppl who get their flowers WTF are you talking about? I've never actually heard anyone disrespect twista, bone OR Busta. The only real Tech discourse i've heard outside of the internet was about his content. you're conflating arguments bro

this thread was sparked by the billboard lists. the same lists that disrespected the hell out of bone thugs - who are the most disrespected rap act in modern history. and nobody came out to defend them. none of the rappers who mimmicked their style. not even their pal fat joe, who is busy defending eminem.

the industry has been trying to ice bone thugs out the game, all the way back since they were in their prime.

you really think they get their flowers?? LOL. you gotta reach all the way back to pioneers like melle mel himself in order to channel rappers who receive more disrespect than bone thugs.

my point was i haven't seen any great black lyricists get disrespect AS LYRICISTS for dropping bad music. Did you read the post i initially responded to or did you just jump out the window?

as overrated as outkast is, their catalog is clearly stronger than that of an eminem. LOL. andre didnt spend his entire career making sporadic over-hyped guest appearances.

why are you trying to force this comparison?

 

[CoolinInTheCut]

you named a bunch of ppl who get their flowers WTF are you talking about? I've never actually heard anyone disrespect twista, bone OR Busta. The only real Tech discourse i've heard outside of the internet was about his content. you're conflating arguments bro

They dont get nowhere near the same acclaim has Em, and thats the point of Mel's argument. Em gets more shine because hes white.

There should be absolute no reason why anyone thinks Em is better than Busta Rhymes outside sales, and he was way futher down the list.

Andre 3000 no album dropping ass gets Eminem respect. 3000 been a mythical figure since 2008 when he jumped on popular remixes....but didn't drop an album.

Em still gets way more shine, and Andre leans into the whole mysterious shyt that gets him boosted so much by hipsters.

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Black artists had to keep black & white fans engaged every step of their career to be considered great.

Eminem was afforded the luxury of making Weird Al Yankovic music while nikkax cracked their heads to make crossover music that would also get spun in the club

Eminem’s nonsense was played on black radio
Few black artists consistently got crossover looks however

I lived through it

You're absolutely right.

 

[Art Barr]

Twista, Tech N9ne, Busta, Bone Thugs, etc etc... the list goes on

All these rappers have an equal or similar skillset as Em, but because Em was able to sell his music to fans outside of hip hop, he should be respected as one of the top rappers in hip hop?

None of those nikkaz battled nationally like em tho.
This talk about. Oh this if Eminem was black.

You nikkaz is c00ns. Who do not know one of the two black men who beat eminem. Yet you only know rap because those two brought it to your living room tho.

You nikkaz are all flodge'n and full of shyt.

You nikkaz made and accepted this industry economy meets jiggy shyt and front on who was skilled.

All because you wanted the rapper who needed a fukkin loan to talk about. You nikkaz are goofie.
Then wonder why shyt is the way it is. After you nikkaz made this wack shyt the way it is.

Then got the nerve.
to be complaining about the shyt.
you politically allowed and made it into.


The nerve.


Art Barr

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

he didnt admit anything.

half of what eminem sold is still more than anybody not named Nelly was selling back then.

a black eminem is not selling no dam 5 million.

why do yall let these rappers get away with anything that sounds good on the surface?? they be gaming yall.





Yayo was wrong.

black people arent even like that. black people are the opposite actually. black people will see a white guy do a basic slam in a dunk contest, and rush the court like he did a 720 backflip.

black people bow down and roll out the red carpet for outsiders.

and then when someone objects to the obvious like melle mel is doing, black people will rush to the aid of the white man so that he remains void of criticism.





youre coming at the wrong one with that. im notoriously hated on this board for pointing out that outkast is overrated.

what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

this is the truth. We see the same thing in boxing. When black boxers stick and move, it's called running. When Lomachenko and Usyk do it, they are called all time greats. Being white automatically makes you immune from criticism.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

None of those nikkaz battled nationally like em tho.
This talk about. Oh this if Eminem was black.

You nikkaz is c00ns. Who do not know one of the two black men who beat eminem. Yet you only know rap because those two brought it to your living room tho.

You nikkaz are all flodge'n and full of shyt.

You nikkaz made and accepted this industry economy meets jiggy shyt and front on who was skilled.

All because you wanted the rapper who needed a fukkin loan to talk about. You nikkaz are goofie.
Then wonder why shyt is the way it is. After you nikkaz made this wack shyt the way it is.

Then got the nerve.
to be complaining about the shyt.
you politically allowed and made it into.


The nerve.


Art Barr

Juice beat him and rhymfest beat him. Also, there was a blind MC in Texas(I can't remember his name at the moment without googling" that also beat him in a battle. Plus he's been served on wax a few times and avoided conflict until the time was right to respond.