Fareed Zakaria: The rapid secularization of America (5 minute commentary on religion and politics)

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Religion is becoming more of a cultural marker. The holiness and sacredness have been stripped out of it and it's just been turned into yet another cultural identifier.

It's how you get bizarre takes from atheists like Dawkins who calls himself a "Cultural Christian" while supporting views that can be disproven with evidence and peer reviewed studies.

It's really wild how social media has warped society to the point where scientists can end up believing in insane shyt because of the financial incentives(ad revenue and patreon subs) that come with it.

If you start off saying this shyt to the swine for money on your podcast and the podcast blows up, then you do it on YouTube and start making thousands and then your Twitter posts pay you, you'll be stuck having to say that shyt indefinitely because the money is too good. Before you realize it, you're now in an echochamber and you can say the most basic shyt and these people will treat it like gospel. It's an addictive feeling and at the end of it you end up actually believing the easily disproven nonsense you've been getting paid to spout. Look no further than Jordan Peterson for an example of this. If he starts actually using his brain and the critical thinking skills he paid to learn in college and university, he will lose the audience he's built. The audience that has made him 10x the money he'd ever make from teaching legitimate science.
 

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His boss is a Zionist keep this in mind

they know they can only brainwash Christians more easily for the most part

so push religion so the cult of Zionism can control it

What is going on got them spooked because the reaction to the genocide they realized most of the planet is not indoctrinated to their bull shyt.

the younger gen is not into that religious stuff.... as the boomers have 1 foot in the grave more the "faith" will fall and they will phase out with it and they 're scared of it.

and you don't need some made up holiness to have empathy and have a lack desire to do crime or commit "evil"


yet at the same time the western religious ones are OK with evil being committed in gaza.




empire of faith is dying and the old gen is scared.
people where on earth way before any of the Abrahamic cults took root and humans obviously survived before then and will survive after.


earth will still revolve around the sun until our star dies out
 
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Religion is becoming more of a cultural marker. The holiness and sacredness have been stripped out of it and it's just been turned into yet another cultural identifier.

It's how you get bizarre takes from atheists like Dawkins who calls himself a "Cultural Christian" while supporting views that can be disproven with evidence and peer reviewed studies.

It's really wild how social media has warped society to the point where scientists can end up believing in insane shyt because of the financial incentives(ad revenue and patreon subs) that come with it.

If you start off saying this shyt to the swine for money on your podcast and the podcast blows up, then you do it on YouTube and start making thousands and then your Twitter posts pay you, you'll be stuck having to say that shyt indefinitely because the money is too good. Before you realize it, you're now in an echochamber and you can say the most basic shyt and these people will treat it like gospel. It's an addictive feeling and at the end of it you end up actually believing the easily disproven nonsense you've been getting paid to spout. Look no further than Jordan Peterson for an example of this. If he starts actually using his brain and the critical thinking skills he paid to learn in college and university, he will lose the audience he's built. The audience that has made him 10x the money he'd ever make from teaching legitimate science.
Sounds like it makes Dawkins and anyone like him the same as the preachers and pastors they bash.

I suspect most, if not all religious figures know they're spouting nonsense.
At the very least, history has shown that many people in the Catholic Church have privately expressed doubt in their beliefs. Or outright rejected them, even as they continued the charade.
 

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Sounds like it makes Dawkins and anyone like him the same as the preachers and pastors they bash.

I suspect most, if not all religious figures know they're spouting nonsense.
At the very least, history has shown that many people in the Catholic Church have privately expressed doubt in their beliefs. Or outright rejected them, even as they continued the charade.
Religion can be a tool of liberation(Buddha sought to liberate himself from the chains of desire, Jesus sought to liberate people from hierarchy and greed)

But it can also be a tool of suppression(the catholic church in Africa and the Americas, buddhists in Myanmar)
 

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Religion can be a tool of liberation(Buddha sought to liberate himself from the chains of desire, Jesus sought to liberate people from hierarchy and greed)

But it can also be a tool of suppression(the catholic church in Africa and the Americas, buddhists in Myanmar)
Every form of religion gets corrupted no matter what ideals it begins with.
I suppose that's true of anything. Political systems, economic systems...
 

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The "certainties" he references from Lippman were the lies upon which early industrialization were built. You were told by religions what your place was, what your "reward" was to be and when you'd get it. All it required - demanded - was belief. Rather than face the unknown, it was more expedient for people to pay that cost...even if was just lip service. That shared purpose drove things.

But as with all things, if it's built on lies then everything that follows is tainted. The religions switched from faith to money, and regular people now look to different middlemen as intercessors to that god.



And if your alleged shared purpose is built on the "get money" package of lies...all manner of folly becomes possible.
 

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The "certainties" he references from Lippman were the lies upon which early industrialization were built. You were told by religions what your place was, what your "reward" was to be and when you'd get it. All it required - demanded - was belief. Rather than face the unknown, it was more expedient for people to pay that cost...even if was just lip service. That shared purpose drove things.

But as with all things, if it's built on lies then everything that follows is tainted. The religions switched from faith to money, and regular people now look to different middlemen as intercessors to that god.



And if your alleged shared purpose is built on the "get money" package of lies...all manner of folly becomes possible.
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To deal with his point - that politics have become religion for Wypipo.

I don't think he's wrong, per se.

But THE MAJORITY OF WHITES HAVE VOTED FOR REPUBLICANS since The Civil Rights era. INCLUDING PAWGS. See Jada Stevens for more info. Shout out to JBO.

Fareed make it sound like this is something new. Maybe the fall of white Christendom is - but whites voting for the worst possible candidates time and time again, city, country, state, federal, home owner's association, school board - that's the damn norm.

How did we even get Obama? (what little we even got from him...)

That's right, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Ay-Rabs, Indians, Persians, etc - we basically combine with middle/professional class whites to beat back the TRUE nature of this country.

Black Prophet known as @Scustin Bieburr was talking about why a comedy youtuber was the first one to call Trump a Nazi, and not Mainstream Media.

Jewish Jon Stewart couldn't say it? REALLY?

Vast majority of White people, on all sides - centers, liberals, conservatives, and "leftists", are unwilling to address their own damn issues. Their own suicidal pathologies.

They don't want to.
They can't.

Imagine, if Trump was Obama's shade, the system of white people that secretly but openly govern would have had him in prison like Kwame Kilpatrick.

That's where we are Fareed (cause I know you lurking)

Part of the disconnect the whites and their enablers been feeling since Trump is that dude is OPENLY breaking the law, and the "system" (which is them) can't do nothing about it.

The man told them,

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

HE TOLD YOU WHAT HE WAS GONNA DO.

Cats like Fareed can't say 90% OF WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST.

But We got stats that tell us 75% of white people have zero non-white friends.
I mean I got all type of stats, surveys, laws, #'s, policies, etc. YOU NAME IT...

But Fareed, and "anti-racist" bruh, Barry and Shelly, can't and won't say a damn thing.

Hell, even if we say something - who gonna do something?

Every last thing he's done wrong, they've done wrong, their businesses have done wrong - they could easily get a squad car or a squat team to show up and take them boys to jail.

They don't want to.

Maybe they don't want Trump....But they're not trying to stop him either.
 

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Every form of religion gets corrupted no matter what ideals it begins with.
I suppose that's true of anything. Political systems, economic systems...
And then at that point we are looking at humans in general.

Are humans just inherently fukked up and doomed to continually thirst for power and control?

If it's not religion, it's politics, if it's not politics it's straight up ideology. Is it possible that the human animal is just fundamentally fukked up if after thousands of years of multiple people from Zoroaster to MLK trying to tell people the same basic truth (don't be a fukking a$$hole and be considerate of others and those who have less than you) people continue to twist those teachings into justification for the VERY SAME BEHAVIOR the religion, politics, and ideology were created to destroy---then maybe we are truly a doomed species.

Maybe fate exists and humanity is doomed to extinction because we simply can't (as a species) seem to grasp this basic fact and continue to kill and oppress one another.
 

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Black Prophet known as @Scustin Bieburr was talking about why a comedy youtuber was the first one to call Trump a Nazi, and not Mainstream Media.

Jewish Jon Stewart couldn't say it? REALLY?
:ehh:

You know what, that's a fair point. And I like Jon Stewart. But that IS a failure on his part given how hard he's attacked Trump and conservatives in general over the last 20 years.
 

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You know what, that's a fair point. And I like Jon Stewart. But that IS a failure on his part given how hard he's attacked Trump and conservatives in general over the last 20 years.

I think there as an SNL skit before/after Trump got elected about how much material they were gonna have to make fun of.

The MSM, the people in the Academy, the entertainers - they're saying X,Y, and Z - but what sort of action is being taken.

GET OUT TO VOTE, ESPECIALLY BLACK PEOPLE who only make up 15% of the population, WHO ALREADY VOTE 90% DEMOCRAT - MORE THAN ANY OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC!!

I'm not even sure what Fareed is doing other than filling air time so CNN can sell ads.
 
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