Facts about the Trayvon Martin Case

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After reviewing this case and all talking points
I've come up with the facts around this case.

I would like to first start off and say, the media handling of this case has caused a lot of confusion, and also this case as revealed the stupidity of most people in this country.

My position is Zimmerman is to blame for this and the semantics of white of America will not save him.

However, black folks need to take in the facts and make the right ARGUMENT against Trayvon, look over the trail on youtube and not rely on CNN or other media outlets, because they have mislead you.

Celebrities are making it easier for Zimmerman's image in the public man by spouting nonsensical jargon.

Game, put a picture of up with his son next to a picture of Trayvon, when clearly this is a young picture of him not who was on that night.
In Game's mind he sees a helpless boy and in the minds of many people
Also whites have actually confused Trayvon with the Game, because of google searches, where game's image actually comes up as Trayvon because of the reference he has made.

You got Wade talking crazy, talking about how is he going to explain this to his kids.

Trayvon WAS NOT A BOY. He was 17 years old. In order to WIN YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE RIGHT ARGUMENTS. But constantly referring to this man as a boy you already putting yourself in a losing situation.

Misconceptions I had going in were about the area the situation happened
when they mentioned gated community I thought of an upper class area on some fresh prince of bel-air shyt. Not some shabby apartment complex or whatever it was.
There's no nothing suspicious about anybody walking around such an area, especially with so many units in the vicinity.

Defense dominated the trail, focusing the entire trail on the POINTS THEY WANTED TO FOCUS ON TO MAKE IT FAVORABLE FOR ZIMMERMAN

Even the debates on CNN focus only on the part of the situation which is clearly in FAVOR OF ZIMMERMAN.
This is a tactic the defense attorney used to get people to accept his vision of what happened.

I learned this same tactic as a door to door salesmen, when I would literally convinced people into signing things they never intended to sign and initial told me no.

FACTS

The Witnesses all verified NOTHING
Goodman, the guy closest to the action, COULD SEE NOTHING
defense attorney tried to put words in his mouth, and he worded his questions so when he answered it would appear as if he were agreeing with him.

The fact is, Goodman stated the person with the dark clothes, which would be Trayvon was on top of the other person. You could never see a face, and could never ID anyone.

He used to the term Ground and Pound to describe the positioning, which should have been objected because in the same breath he said HE COULD NOT TELL IF THE PERSON ON TYPE WERE THROWING PUNCHES OR NOT, HE COULD NOT SEE

The term Ground and Pound suggest someone is on top pummeling the person on the bottom. The correct word he should have used was MOUNTED.

Keep in mind he never sees the gun, and IS IN DOORS WHEN THE GUNSHOT GOES OFF, He doesn't know if They got back to their feet when the shot fired, or what happened.

The Asian lady, she stated the larger man was the one on top, and later realized it to be Zimmerman after seeing pictures. He was the one on top, when she had looked out the window.

Once again she went back in doors before the gun shot occurred, when he looked back out again
TRAYVON WAS LYING ON THE GROUND BY HIMSELF, ZIMMERMAN WAS NOT AROUND

this are her own words.

So From these two eye witnesses
Apparently, the two were in a struggle at some point, Trayvon was on top at on point and Zimmerman at another.

Judging by the asian lady's testimony she was watching first before the neighbor closest "goodman" came outside.

So Zimmerman had Trayvon mounted FIRST, by the time Goodman came outside the tide had changed in Trayvon's favor.

Both of these eye witnesses HEARD THE GUN SHOT, but DID NOT SEE IT FIRED, AND NEVER SAW THE GUN
AND NONE OF THEM EVER SAW SOMEONE GETTING THEIR HEAD BASHED IN

Also a lot of their testimony was filled with unsure, can't remembers, and not certains. They don't even know what the fukk happend themselves.

But fukk ALL THAT

To get Zimmerman's ass out of here you have to PROVE HE DID NOT HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BE THERE WITH THAT GUN

Meaning, he was using the GUN IN AN UNLAWFUL MANOR

The fight is irrelevant to the argument for people against Zimmerman
the fight is what the defense wanted you to focus on, becasue there's no one to witness who started, or what finished it

You cannot focus on this point, because you will lose it, because no one can prove exactly what transpired.

The nail in Zimmerman's coffin comes before anything popped off.

The Neighborhood Watchman testified THAT THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY FIRE ARMS

Now, being a CCW holder myself I know the laws surrounding this.
You can take your guns anywhere accept Schools, Federal Buildings, National Parks, and places were alcohol is primarily sold for consumption.

HOWEVER, ANY PRIVATE ENTITY CAN PROHIBIT FIREARMS, and YOU HAVE TO COMPLY, because you no longer have the LEGAL RIGHT TO BE THERE WITH THE FIREARM

Example, if I worked as a security guard a grocery store and had a CCW
but my boss told fire arms are not allowed at work.
I would not be able to keep my weapon with while at work, I'd have to leave it in my car.
If I were to violate that, and get caught with my weapon, I WOULD BE CHARGED WITH ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM, because I've been told firearms are banned from the workplace.

Zimmerman was never suppose to have a gun on him in the first place.
And we all know his bytch ass would have never followed Trayvon if he didn't have a weapon on him.

So before the confrontation Zimmerman is wrong and has broken the law.

This is what needs to be made clear, not trying to twist around the talking points of the defense.

Zimmerman, a man who has assaulted a police officer, beat up his ex-girlfriend, is clearly someone who should not be allowed to handle a weapon, because he is violent person incapable of rational thought.
A rational person armed with weapon would have never been in this situation in the first place.

Have CCW is a double edge sword, shyt can get you locked up more ways than it can save your life.

Zimmerman's legal right to be there most be challenged
everything else is irrelevant, because it is all speculation and theory

Neighborhood Watch coordinated
instructed them all not to follow people not to engage people and not carry weapons
HE DISOBEYED ALL OF THOSE just like a FELON DOES, they break laws


George Zimmerman is a felon, who got a clean slate because of his daddy
this has to be made clear. He is the criminal PROTECTED by his father his entire life not Trayvon who's done nothing but be a normal teeanger
 

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He just turned 17, he was a boy. You can't join the army, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol at 17. I agree with some of the stuff you say.

Here's my question if Trayvon was on top of him when he shot him, leaning over him wouldn't he have fallen on Zimmerman & his blood would have been on Zimmerman?
 

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A 17 year old cannot legally purchase a firearm. He should have been prosecuted on that.
 
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He just turned 17, he was a boy. You can't join the army, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol at 17. I agree with some of the stuff you say.

Here's my question if Trayvon was on top of him when he shot him, leaning over him wouldn't he have fallen on Zimmerman & his blood would have been on Zimmerman?

Look at Mike Tyson at the age of 17, is that a boy

17 years old is not a boy

A boy gets on the rides on disney world and rolls around in the dirt

a 17 year old is driving cars, having sex, and a year away from being a legal adult. It's a losing argument, focus on the things Zimmerman did wrong.
 

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Trayvon WAS NOT A BOY. He was 17 years old. In order to WIN YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE RIGHT ARGUMENTS. But constantly referring to this man as a boy you already putting yourself in a losing situation.

I'd argue the opposite. He wasn't a man. He had just turned 17. So he's really 16 in the minds of those of us who sympathize with him. On top of that, anyone who has kids sees people below the age of 21 as boys/girls/children. Hell I'm 25 and when I meet older people their still on that "oh you're so young" tip. It makes complete sense.

To get Zimmerman's ass out of here you have to PROVE HE DID NOT HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BE THERE WITH THAT GUN

Meaning, he was using the GUN IN AN UNLAWFUL MANOR

The fight is irrelevant to the argument for people against Zimmerman
the fight is what the defense wanted you to focus on, becasue there's no one to witness who started, or what finished it

You cannot focus on this point, because you will lose it, because no one can prove exactly what transpired.

The nail in Zimmerman's coffin comes before anything popped off.

The Neighborhood Watchman testified THAT THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY FIRE ARMS

Now, being a CCW holder myself I know the laws surrounding this.
You can take your guns anywhere accept Schools, Federal Buildings, National Parks, and places were alcohol is primarily sold for consumption.

HOWEVER, ANY PRIVATE ENTITY CAN PROHIBIT FIREARMS, and YOU HAVE TO COMPLY, because you no longer have the LEGAL RIGHT TO BE THERE WITH THE FIREARM

Example, if I worked as a security guard a grocery store and had a CCW
but my boss told fire arms are not allowed at work.
I would not be able to keep my weapon with while at work, I'd have to leave it in my car.
If I were to violate that, and get caught with my weapon, I WOULD BE CHARGED WITH ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM, because I've been told firearms are banned from the workplace.

Zimmerman was never suppose to have a gun on him in the first place.
And we all know his bytch ass would have never followed Trayvon if he didn't have a weapon on him.

So before the confrontation Zimmerman is wrong and has broken the law.

This is what needs to be made clear, not trying to twist around the talking points of the defense.

Zimmerman, a man who has assaulted a police officer, beat up his ex-girlfriend, is clearly someone who should not be allowed to handle a weapon, because he is violent person incapable of rational thought.
A rational person armed with weapon would have never been in this situation in the first place.

Have CCW is a double edge sword, shyt can get you locked up more ways than it can save your life.

Zimmerman's legal right to be there most be challenged
everything else is irrelevant, because it is all speculation and theory

Neighborhood Watch coordinated
instructed them all not to follow people not to engage people and not carry weapons
HE DISOBEYED ALL OF THOSE just like a FELON DOES, they break laws

I 100% agree, and I thought the prosecution did a horrible job of hammering this idea

Did George Zimmerman violate his concealed weapon permit on night of Trayvon Martin shooting? Retired officer Lou Palumbo weighs in – Early Start with John Berman & Zoraida Sambolin - CNN.com Blogs

Check out the link, the officer brings up the 1 point I haven't seen brought up. Once an officer off the clock identifies danger, he's IMMEDIATELY A LEGAL ON THE COP OFFICER. Which means, if he comes in contact with a "suspect" HE HAS TO IDENTIFY HIMSELF AS A FUNCTIONING POLICE OFFICER. Like your point explains, zimmerman is no longer a civilian once he places that 911 phone call.

"Investigative findings show that (Zimmerman) had at least two opportunities to speak with (Martin) in order to defuse the circumstances surrounding their encounter," Serino wrote in the report. "On at least two occasions (Zimmerman) failed to identify himself as a concerned resident or a neighborhood watch volunteer.

Investigator: Zimmerman missed opportunities to defuse situation - CNN.com
 

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He was a fukking boy.When I think back at myself at 17 I realize how immature I was and so much shyt about life I didn't know.He was a fukking boy.
 

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Look at Mike Tyson at the age of 17, is that a boy

17 years old is not a boy

A boy gets on the rides on disney world and rolls around in the dirt

a 17 year old is driving cars, having sex, and a year away from being a legal adult. It's a losing argument, focus on the things Zimmerman did wrong.

Wow you're dumb. Mike Tyson is a PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER. He was a boy. How old are you? My son is 15. If he was driving to the store he would be alive today. I'm a man now. When I was 17 I was a boy. I had no responsibilities.
 

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My question is if TM was on top of him like said which way would he have fallen? You would think some of TM blood would be on Zimmerman.
 

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Trayvon was whooping his ass then Zimmerman decided to pop him.

The kid didn't deserve to die.

In my opinion Trayvon had the right to stand his ground against a stalking lunatic who had no right to question him.

Having said that I do believe Trayvon was heading down the wrong path(after looking at his text messagez,facebook,myspace)which is why his mother sent him off to his father's house.

Even though he didn't deserve to die is it possible he was checking out houses to rob that night and if so would that change your opinion?

All of the burglaries in that area were of young black men.

I had behavior problems just like Trayvon as a kid (7 years old) but luckily after moving in with my dad he was able to straighten me out real fast. If it wasn't for him I would probably be like Trayvon or in jail.
 
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Wow you're dumb. Mike Tyson is a PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER. He was a boy. How old are you? My son is 15. If he was driving to the store he would be alive today. I'm a man now. When I was 17 I was a boy. I had no responsibilities.

The point is at 17 he is physically capable of defending himself.

If 17 year old male claim to be have been molested,

would it be the same as 12 year old no

The fact of the matter is Trayvon was capable of beating Zimmerman's ass

thats what I'm getting at, a boy cannot defend himself

You keep arguing Trayvon was a boy is foolish and only helps Zimmerman it wasted energy.

The pictures of him in the football jersey and the holister shirt are not as he appeared that day. That's just a fact.

That said, we don't know if Zimmerman grabbed him and tried to restrain him, or how the fight started.

However, we do know zimmerman pursued him while being armed
we do know Zimmerman has a history of violence
we do know zimmerman as a history of profiling blacks in that neighborhood

you have the attack the points were Zimmerman is at fault

A 17 year old kid can beat a man to Death that is a fact
ignoring this is allowing yourself to be out smarted

I do not believe Trayvon easily handled Zimmerman has he claimed, because he really had no other choice to do so.

Zimmerman has to be called out for his profiling actions and NOT IDENTIFY HIMSELF while stalking Trayon
 

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It should of been manslaughter but what a lot of people are forgetting is that A LOT of the details that were presented during the case, we've had access to over analyze and critique. The jury on the other hand, can basically only go on what's presented to them by the prosectution and the defense. The prosecution did not do a good job.

I don't think that Zimmerman is a racist; I believe that he racially profilled that night and that decision cost Trayvon his life. Manslaughter and serving 10-15 years was what my ruling would of been
 
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