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FACT: BJ Penn Is the GOAT.
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BJ separated his rib in that fight taking Hughes's back and was pretty much done after that. Hughes definitely won but given their track record, Hughes only won that because BJ hurt himself
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i never cared for bj because of his fans. it seem like everytime they took a L there was always some fukking excuse.
but i will admit though, bj was probably the most talented mma fighter i think i ever seen though. i can't think who could fuk with him at LW though
but i will admit though, bj was probably the most talented mma fighter i think i ever seen though. i can't think who could fuk with him at LW though
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..lets not forget Frankie Edgar has pushed this mans shyt back 3 times...so how can this man be the GOAT at lightweight when he was beat by Edgar who could easily make 135? 
Now if we are saying he was fearless and would fight anyone..yeah sure I can agree with that. But to act as if this man has not been beaten on a technical level is nuts. And saying everyone who beat him was on rooids is crazy..we are really gonna say Frankie and Diaz are on peds?
Now maybe Hughes,Rory,Gsp(even though he is my fav fighter) could be accused of roiding but Edgar?? Nah I dont think so.
And showing gifs of people not being able to take him down in training does not prove ANYTHING...cause Edagr could do it and GSP could do it, im sure there is someone at heavyweight (at 265lb) who could do i with ease...i doubt he would be a top 15 heavyweight.
..lets not forget Frankie Edgar has pushed this mans shyt back 3 times...so how can this man be the GOAT at lightweight when he was beat by Edgar who could easily make 135? Now if we are saying he was fearless and would fight anyone..yeah sure I can agree with that. But to act as if this man has not been beaten on a technical level is nuts. And saying everyone who beat him was on rooids is crazy..we are really gonna say Frankie and Diaz are on peds? Now maybe Hughes,Rory,Gsp(even though he is my fav fighter) could be accused of roiding but Edgar?? Nah I dont think so. And showing gifs of people not being able to take him down in training does not prove ANYTHING...cause Edagr could do it and GSP could do it, im sure there is someone at heavyweight (at 265lb) who could do i with ease...i doubt he would be a top 15 heavyweight.
That's a lot of "would haves."
Woah woah woah...brehs
And showing gifs of people not being able to take him down in training does not prove ANYTHING...cause Edagr could do it and GSP could do it, im sure there is someone at heavyweight (at 265lb) who could do i with ease...i doubt he would be a top 15 heavyweight.
frankie lost the first fight, and they tied/it was close the 2nd fight, and the third fight he had a terrible weight cut so he wasn't mentally there.
at the worst he's 1-1-1 with frankie
That's a lot of "would haves."
so what
i judge fighters based on heart and skill
wins are nice too, but if you do it through point fighting like gsp and jon jones, you'll never be the goat in my eyes. so too mee, guys like rampage and BJ penn are on the goat list even though their records don't show it, and gsp and jon jones will never be on it.
Penn was just a dude who got by on natural talent and abilities. He was never disciplined and never improved. That alone is why hes not the GOAT
The second fight was a tie bro?........ fukk it..you saying Bj won the first fight...I dont agree..but I could at least see where your coming from..but saying Edgar didnt win the second fight...
he is officially 0-3 against edgar..at the very best 1-2 and the way Rory manhandled his Banandles was v
So you think he's the GOAT based on hypotheticals. Okayso what
i judge fighters based on heart and skill
so too mee, guys like rampage and BJ penn are on the goat list even though their records don't show it, and gsp and jon jones will never be on it.
how do you know that though??
his 'lack of work ethic' is something created by the media, and inflated through internet forums, there's no real evidenc ee that he has no discipline or that he doesn't train hard.
So you think he's the GOAT based on hypotheticals. Okay
yup i already said that didn't i, don't care that you're trying to make me look stupid.
i judge fighters based on actually WATCHING them fight, not just READING about them and looking at their records.
I just find that to be strange, but fair enoughyup i already said that didn't i, don't care that you're trying to make me look stupid.
i judge fighters based on actually WATCHING them fight, not just READING about them and looking at their records.
Created by media? Its well documented he wasn't the hardest worker. He barely trained at all for that 2nd GSP fight(I think he took a vacation in the middle of camp) He was surrounded by yes men like Jason Parillo who never pushed him(his best stretch when he destroyed Florian, Sanchez he was with the marinovich bros but he fired them because they actually worked him like any good coach) . He came into fights out of shape and with no conditioning, often gassing after the first. And this is not a shyt fest because BJ is on the the best, but GOAT? Stop it. Too flawed for that.