"Even On That Mexican Beef U Still Getting Beat" Spence v Ocampo 6/16 SHOWTIME Fight Thread

[reservoirdogs]

The thing is between Spence and Crawford is size difference playing a major key. Errol is still looking up while Crawford just reached his comfortable weight. Spence at middleweight could be what Crawford is to welterweight now.

I think ppl generally overrate the size factor here

Horn obviously isn't as good as Spence but he is also a big welterweight and a physical one. Crawford didn't look noticeably smaller than him in the ring and he could bully him on the inside as well.
Spence might be even a little bigger than Horn and he might have more physical strength too (don't know for sure) but at least that tells me that he woN't be able just simply overpower Crawford based on sheer physicality.
Spence will be bigger and possibly stronger but I doN't think that the difference will be so big that it will decide about the matchup.

 

[puppetmaster]

Body shots really are the worst. Your whole lower body just short circuits on you.

 

[mcellas]

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• patscorpio
• Sep 19, 2016

#byrdgang

Spence vs Garcia Cowboys vs Eagles someone is getting stomped out in the seats at that fight

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Nope

We'll agree to disagree.
Trust I been said he needed PBC level talent.

Salka
Algieri
Bondu


Are some PBC stinkers.

Y'all act like Crawford is damn Bute.

Bradley himself said dude is no joke.

He does 100% need some top comp at 140-147. I could live with Khan or Vargas next.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Nawl fam...Spence,DSG,Thurman,Porter can run thru that list easy(hypothetically). You really can’t even be in p4p top 5 with that resume. He got to have that one fight against a top guy.

You see what happen when GGG fought top comp. He started looking real regular instead of this killer machine. Same goes with Crawford we just dnt know ho gne react with someone with power AND skill.

I like Tcraw ,he passes the eye test but damn that’s sucks we only get to judge him on the eye test.

That's a fair assesment.

Confuses me a 135-147lbs fighter would sign with Bob simply due their roster.

Nothing bad with GGG going 12 with Jacobs or Canelo.

Jacobs and Canelo are solid Middleweights. Only stoppage Jacobs had his grandma died the same week. And Pirog looked like a killer.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Crawford has been

bigger and quicker than all of his opponents. Crawford was big for 135 and 140. Bud gets hit. He reminds me of Adrian Broner going into the Maidana fight. I think Spence slows Bud down tremendously with body punching and punishes him for 12 rounds

I just hope we see it before 2020. A

Broner is an underachiever.

I think Bud's movement could be a factor.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

#mandown #strapseason

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

That's a fair assesment.

Confuses me a 135-147lbs fighter would sign with Bob simply due their roster.
Nothing bad with GGG going 12 with Jacobs or Canelo.

Jacobs and Canelo are solid Middleweights. Only stoppage Jacobs had his grandma died the same week. And Pirog looked like a killer.

Why not lol It seems to be a good gig lol. Big fish in little pond and get thrown in P4P discussion without having that defining fight.

Yea I’m not saying that Jacobs are Canelo are scrubs but when GGG stepped up his comp to respectable fighterr his unbeatable machine aura went away. He squeaked by Jacobs on a fight that could easily went the other way. He let a gassed Canelo push him to a draw while only fighting half the fight. He still would be undefeated but he would be viewed like how Keith Thurman is viewed,undefeated champ but . You dnt see Thurman in the top 3 of P4P lists.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Why not lol It seems to be a good gig lol. Big fish in little pond and get thrown in P4P discussion without having that defining fight.

Yea I’m not saying that Jacobs are Canelo are scrubs but when GGG stepped up his comp to respectable fighterr his unbeatable machine aura went away. He squeaked by Jacobs on a fight that could easily went the other way. He let a gassed Canelo push him to a draw while only fighting half the fight. He still would be undefeated but he would be viewed like how Keith Thurman is viewed,undefeated champ but . You dnt see Thurman in the top 3 of P4P lists.

I will say that there are times where a Fighters Talent outweighs his level of competition and makes him pound-for-pound, to a degree.

Triple G and Crawford have special talent just based off the eyeball test but I definitely agree that the level of competition needs to be stepped up. You don't want a Bute situation.

I said last year in a Crawford thread the Felix Diaz of the world's need to end.

Khan level and above only from here on out.

 

[patscorpio]

We'll agree to disagree.
Trust I been said he needed PBC level talent.

Salka
Algieri
Bondu


Are some PBC stinkers.

Y'all act like Crawford is damn Bute.

Bradley himself said dude is no joke.

He does 100% need some top comp at 140-147. I could live with Khan or Vargas next.

like i said a lot of cats on here think WAY too highly on the PBC welters...the welterweight division as a whole is not even as great as previous welterweight era...these nikkas are not mixing it up because of politics and bullshyt

for as many ppl that try to downplay t-craw's resume, you cant do that and big up spence's

spence just fought a guy that was an even bigger underdog than vanes, coming off a 2 year layoff, to face GGG at 1 division higher than his own...and that was spence's mandatory ..any other fighter would have got the slandered for facing this type of fighter

his 2 best wins: brook (who the majority on here dont think is a good fighter or anything special)....brook was already taken apart in half the time brutally by GGG...in fact spence should be thankful that he softened up brook for him because that version of brook, post GGG beating, was still giving him hell

and then lamont peterson who has not looked good in recent years..got a gift against the likes of felix diaz () and went the distance with david avanesyan (who recently was brutally stopped by a real prospect and possible future spence opponent) and was wiped out faster in his prime by a real puncher in lucas matthysse in half the time

keith is the only welterweight in this era who at least has attempted to separate himself from the pack and as long as hes still active he's the number 1 welter but he has haymon syndrome unfortunately so he's going through it right now

the rest, outside of a HOF bound manny pacquiao, have not..spence and t-craw pass the eye tests..we just hope that they do get in the ring before another juanma-gamboa situation takes place

 

[reservoirdogs]

We'll agree to disagree.
Trust I been said he needed PBC level talent.

Salka
Algieri
Bondu


Are some PBC stinkers.

Y'all act like Crawford is damn Bute.

Bradley himself said dude is no joke.

He does 100% need some top comp at 140-147. I could live with Khan or Vargas next.

Yeah, I think Crawford was always fighting whoever was around. He didn't dodge anybody just it happened that elite fighters weren't in the same divisions as him at the time. That's why it's crazy to me how some ppl blaming/mocking Crawford for not having bigger names on his resume. It's pretty obviously not his fault and he even moved up more divisions.

It can be said that Swift or Thurman have better names on their resume but ask 10 boxing fans who would win Crawford vs Swift and Crawford vs Thurman and watch what the result gonna be.
Spence vs Crawford being the dream fight instead of Spence/Crawford vs Swift/Thurman/Porter for a reason. The public sees these two as the truly outstanding fighters in the division. Not a knock on Thurman, Porter and Swift, all great fighters by their own right but there is a reason why Crawford and Spence are usually put on a higher level than them. This time I agree with the public and I also think they are the two best fighters in 147.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

like i said a lot of cats on here think WAY too highly on the PBC welters...the welterweight division as a whole is not even as great as previous welterweight era...these nikkas are not mixing it up because of politics and bullshyt

for as many ppl that try to downplay t-craw's resume, you cant do that and big up spence's

spence just fought a guy that was an even bigger underdog than vanes, coming off a 2 year layoff, to face GGG at 1 division higher than his own...and that was spence's mandatory ..any other fighter would have got the slandered for facing this type of fighter

his 2 best wins: brook (who the majority on here dont think is a good fighter or anything special)....brook was already taken apart in half the time brutally by GGG...in fact spence should be thankful that he softened up brook for him because that version of brook, post GGG beating, was still giving him hell

and then lamont peterson who has not looked good in recent years..got a gift against the likes of felix diaz () and went the distance with david avanesyan (who recently was brutally stopped by a real prospect and possible future spence opponent) and was wiped out faster in his prime by a real puncher in lucas matthysse in half the time

keith is the only welterweight in this era who at least has attempted to separate himself from the pack and as long as hes still active he's the number 1 welter but he has haymon syndrome unfortunately so he's going through it right now

the rest, outside of a HOF bound manny pacquiao, have not..spence and t-craw pass the eye tests..we just hope that they do get in the ring before another juanma-gamboa situation takes place

I had Brook ahead in that fight.

He caught a shell of Brook.

And we got the elite
Ortiz Alexander Broner Vargas Berto's on PBC

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

I will say that there are times where a Fighters Talent outweighs his level of competition and makes him pound-for-pound, to a degree.

Triple G and Crawford have special talent just based off the eyeball test but I definitely agree that the level of competition needs to be stepped up. You don't want a Bute situation.

I said last year in a Crawford thread the Felix Diaz of the world's need to end.

Khan level and above only from here on out.

Well yea I guess GGG do count a little bit.
I knew GGG was good but not special. He just a really good middleweight in a weak ass era nothing more nothing less. Great fighters beat Jacobs and Canelo convincingly.

Khan willl get slumped by any halfway decent puncher. It would be a fun fight while it last but Khan will go down like a sack of potatoes. Bud will hurt that boy. It will do numbers tho.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Well yea I guess GGG do count a little bit.
I knew GGG was good but not special. He just a really good middleweight in a weak ass era nothing more nothing less. Great fighters beat Jacobs and Canelo convincingly.

Khan willl get slumped by any halfway decent puncher. It would be a fun fight while it last but Khan will go down like a sack of potatoes. Bud will hurt that boy. It will do numbers tho.

With the exception of

Floyd
Ward

Most " A" fighters when facing similar talent don't dominate "A" talent.

I don't hold that against a fighter. I don't even like GGG like that either.

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

With the exception of

Floyd
Ward

Most " A" fighters when facing similar talent don't dominate "A" talent.

I don't hold that against a fighter. I don't even like GGG like that either.

I dnt think it’s too many A fighters in the game. I dnt consider Jacobs and Canelo A fighters. It ain’t like it was Ward vs KKK. Ain’t no problem with that type of close fight. Them was 2 As in the ring.

Like how when people was talking shyt about Loma(me included) he stepped up and whooped ass to let you know he a next level fighter. Same with Rigo and Donaire.

The way they was hyping that man up saying he the #1 MW in the world he suppose to do better than he was. An A fighter suppose to beat a fighter that was gassed the whole fight breh. Maybe I’m knocking GGG because he was just so overhyped