Europe Saved HIP HOP!! Not The Streets!! - Planet Asia....What Does The Coli Think?

[SoulController]

Cause the people of nyc have seen them perform 1000 times since 91. Plus they have relevant new artist from city outright now they need for support.


People hype up roc music for supporting they legends so, but they genre us all but dead now also. All they have is the legends.

Going to shows is easily accessible in the states, it’s not in Europe

The people going to see A Boogie and Casanova ain’t the same market as the legend shows. The euros pay and support more just accept it, it’s been this way for 20 years. Nothing new, Asia just got tired of getting asked why he only plays Cali and nyc shows

 

[nahnah]

To some extent you could probably go back to the 'Northern Soul' days up here ages ago. The old people talk about it a lot...actually it's probably completely different but anyhow it's a curious case.


Northern soul - Wikipedia

 

[Ineedmoney504]

The people going to see A Boogie and Casanova ain’t the same market as the legend shows. The euros pay and support more just accept it, it’s been this way for 20 years. Nothing new, Asia just got tired of getting asked why he only plays Cali and nyc shows

It’s still hip hop, so it is the same market, if we had less artist coming out everyday we would listen to legends new shyt more. Most of the times the legends we speak of loss the hunger that made them who they are.the aggressive is gon, a new person fills that viod with that aggression that made u love the legend and u move in.

Asia is trash and a cornball, nobody listening to that filth

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

How did Europe save hip-hop.

Saving Hip-hop monetization for irrelevant acts?

Not only irrelevant. Legendary, 80's legends, 90's legends been saying they tour and get love out there like no other...

Europe didn't save hip hop it gave it an outlet for underground and legacy acts. Your average coli poster calls you washed for talking bout these same acts. Same thing that happened with soul and blues artists after their era they continued eating in Europe for years. Some fans don't have an expiry date on music the way others do. Appreciate things more because they are far removed and hard to come by.

During his height Jimmy Hendrix himself was frustrated at the lack of love he was getting at home compared to elsewhere. Euro rock acts poached and learned from American legends in the 60's and 70' when they had no demand at home by bringing them ovrerseas. Jazz too...

 

[BO BARON]

Europe saves everything old & vintage they got clubs out there dedicated to disco music

Guys like jcole, ross, gibbs, kdot even wayne saved hip hop because they kept it rap & create great hip hop music

 

[tuckgod]

Not only irrelevant. Legendary, 80's legends, 90's legends been saying they tour and get love out there like no other...

Europe didn't save hip hop it gave it an outlet for underground and legacy acts. Your average coli poster calls you washed for talking bout these same acts. Same thing that happened with soul and blues artists after their era they continued eating in Europe for years. Some fans don't have an expiry date on music the way others do. Appreciate things more because they are far removed and hard to come by.

During his height Jimmy Hendrix himself was frustrated at the lack of love he was getting at home compared to elsewhere. Euro rock acts poached and learned from American legends in the 60's and 70' when they had no demand at home by bringing them ovrerseas. Jazz too...

Not just that, Jimi had to go to Europe to get poppin in the first place.

Same shyt with Hip Hop artists like The Roots.

America doesn’t appreciate anything of substance.

Our culture is based on consuming, not appreciating.

The value of most things to Americans is strictly based on how many other people want that same product.

We eat everything in sight, shyt it out, and automatically start following the crowd looking for the next thing to consume.

We have no culture except consumer culture.

We even consume other cultures if it’s popular at the moment.

 

[Mowgli]

Not only irrelevant. Legendary, 80's legends, 90's legends been saying they tour and get love out there like no other...

Europe didn't save hip hop it gave it an outlet for underground and legacy acts. Your average coli poster calls you washed for talking bout these same acts. Same thing that happened with soul and blues artists after their era they continued eating in Europe for years. Some fans don't have an expiry date on music the way others do. Appreciate things more because they are far removed and hard to come by.

During his height Jimmy Hendrix himself was frustrated at the lack of love he was getting at home compared to elsewhere. Euro rock acts poached and learned from American legends in the 60's and 70' when they had no demand at home by bringing them ovrerseas. Jazz too...

Out with the old in with the new. Nothing stays the same. Holding up retro acts doesn't keep hip-hop alive. New artists making classics underground and mainstream do.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Out with the old in with the new. Nothing stays the same. Holding up retro acts doesn't keep hip-hop alive. New artists making classics underground and mainstream do.

But the rollign stones can still tour while young acts tour as well and they all headline. You aren't being honest about the situation. Those old head rap brehs can barely eat at home but are given proper respect overseas. Nobody said hold them up there's a lane for everyone... Only Black artists get discarded so quick and easy.

 

[Monoblock]

I can't lie he kinda right if you know your history and been to Europe and on their music scene. So many acts we consider underground here have huge careers in Europe and tours.

 

[SoulController]

it aint just hip hop, ask Jimi Hendrix's old roadies and manager about the difference

ask Sun Ra's. Charles Mingus. Roy Ayers. Lonnie Liston Smith

outside of Kamasi Washington is there a jazz guy that can fill a decent venue in '18? i salute guys like him and Gary Clark Jr. doing what they do and living off it. Charles Bradley and Sharon Jones too RIP

 

[tuckgod]

Out with the old in with the new. Nothing stays the same. Holding up retro acts doesn't keep hip-hop alive. New artists making classics underground and mainstream do.

All art is based off the art that came before it.

Even the most celebrated abstract artists were students of the masters at one point.

You have to study and understand the rules of your craft before you can successfully break them while continuing to make a high quality product.

The reason hip hop culture sucks now is because of this tired mantra you're spewing.

It's not about holding up retro acts, it's about appreciating the artists that respect their crafts.

Which will in turn influence some artists of the next generation to respect the craft themselves instead of treating it as just another industry to make money in.

 

[Mowgli]

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All art is based off the art that came before it.

Even the most celebrated abstract artists were students of the masters at one point.

You have to study and understand the rules of your craft before you can successfully break them while continuing to make a high quality product.

The reason hip hop culture sucks now is because of this tired mantra you're spewing.

It's not about holding up retro acts, it's about appreciating the artists that respect their crafts.

Which will in turn influence some artists of the next generation to respect the craft themselves instead of treating it as just another industry to make money in.

For these legends most of the studied work is made in the past and is there to help studied. What they're making now.....is typically following what others are doing or just not innovating at all.

Not saying I'd artists need to go away but how often are older artist making classics that would keep their american fanbase interested.

 

[tuckgod]

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For these legends most of the studied work is made in the past and is there to help studied. What they're making now.....is typically following what others are doing or just not innovating at all.

Not saying I'd artists need to go away but how often are older artist making classics that would keep their american fanbase interested.

I addressed this when I said that appreciating older artists encourages other aspiring artists to chase mastery over money.

Seeing older artists still able to tour off the strength of their past work could encourage the next artist to choose a career based on making quality material over chasing trends for quick fame.