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Based on what?
ESPN’s top 25 NBA players of the 21st century
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Duncan was better over a longer period of time.
VegetasHairline
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This is from guys who played with Tim Duncan.
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He wasn’t. But cook Breh.
KillerB88
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The Westbrook ranking is disrespectful. Especially if you’re going to have Harden and CP3 as high as they do.
Duncan was better though.
But if Kobe is your favorite because he took a lot of shots and scored a lot of points and felt his game was pretty, that's cool too.
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Don’t forget he dominated your boy when they COMPETED against each other. So yes. Kobe was better.
IMO if you follow some sort of criteria this isn’t THAT hard, at least to get the tiers right. The real list:
Tier 1: multiple chips as a #1
1. Bron
2. Shaq
3. Duncan
4. Kobe
5. Steph
Tier 2: 1 chip as a #1 (KD on GS always hard to judge but he’s in here)
6. Jokic
7. Giannis
8. KD
9. Wade
10. Dirk
11. KG
12. Kawhi
Tier 3: no chip but MVP
13. Harden
14. AI
15. Nash
16. Westbrook
17. Embiid
Tier 4: 2 way all timers pause
18. AD
19. Dwight Howard
20. Cp3
21. Kidd
Tier 5: Finals MVPs
22. Paul Pierce
23. Tony Parker
Tier 6: Finals appearance as a #1
24. Luka
25. Jimmy Butler (Jimmy also has 2-way status)
Imo the top 23 can’t be debated bc they all have some type of significant individual accolade outside of all stars/all nba. And you need that bc every guy on the list is an all star/all nba; you gotta have something tangible. So Pao, Ray, Manu come off bc they don’t have that. Draymond has a DPOY but doesn’t bring enough offensively. Others in the running who don’t have it: Klay, Lillard, Bosh, Webber. One could argue tier 6 could be scoring title. Melo has 1 but so does Luka. Tmac has 2 so he’s right there also. But Jimmy with 2 carry jobs to get to the finals puts him over them
Tier 1: multiple chips as a #1
1. Bron
2. Shaq
3. Duncan
4. Kobe
5. Steph
Tier 2: 1 chip as a #1 (KD on GS always hard to judge but he’s in here)
6. Jokic
7. Giannis
8. KD
9. Wade
10. Dirk
11. KG
12. Kawhi
Tier 3: no chip but MVP
13. Harden
14. AI
15. Nash
16. Westbrook
17. Embiid
Tier 4: 2 way all timers pause
18. AD
19. Dwight Howard
20. Cp3
21. Kidd
Tier 5: Finals MVPs
22. Paul Pierce
23. Tony Parker
Tier 6: Finals appearance as a #1
24. Luka
25. Jimmy Butler (Jimmy also has 2-way status)
Imo the top 23 can’t be debated bc they all have some type of significant individual accolade outside of all stars/all nba. And you need that bc every guy on the list is an all star/all nba; you gotta have something tangible. So Pao, Ray, Manu come off bc they don’t have that. Draymond has a DPOY but doesn’t bring enough offensively. Others in the running who don’t have it: Klay, Lillard, Bosh, Webber. One could argue tier 6 could be scoring title. Melo has 1 but so does Luka. Tmac has 2 so he’s right there also. But Jimmy with 2 carry jobs to get to the finals puts him over them
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What kind of argument is that though?Its hard to argue against 3 MVPs for Jokic. However, is he already above KD
Could argue he missed out on MVPs because of Bron/Steph.
Hell nah
This is from guys who played with Tim Duncan.
Silly
Black Lightning
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I just realized they didn’t put Vince on the list. 
REVISIONIST TRIED TO SAY
WE WERE MAKING shyt UP
WHEN WERE POINTING OUT THE MEDIA
USED TO RANK DRAYMOND AS A TOP 10 PLAYER ...
TALKING ABOUT WHY YOU DOING
"DRAYMOND GREEN VS THE WORLD
WHEN NOBODY EVER CLAIMED HE WAS
ON THAT LEVEL"
Casuals and or dummies
Curry too low
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AD should be higher. And Kobe should be #1
