Eric Holder: Banning Homeschooling Doesn’t Violate Fundamental Rights

[The Real]

Or they could just ignore the deportation order and wait for amnesty, like normal illegal immigrants

I see what you're trying to say, but that's not really how it works. If you get a deportation order, realistically, there's no way to avoid it unless you're living completely off the map (getting paid off the books, working some extremely low-level job that requires no documentation, etc.) You're living with an active arrest warrant out on you. The moment you actually are detected, you get taken to a detention center. Deportation is probably the most draconian and least avoidable process in our entire immigration apparatus.

 

[theworldismine13]

I see what you're trying to say, but that's not really how it works. If you get a deportation order, realistically, there's no way to avoid it unless you're living completely off the map (getting paid off the books, working some extremely low-level job that requires no documentation, etc.) You're living with an active arrest warrant out on you. The moment you actually are detected, you get taken to a detention center. Deportation is probably the most draconian and least avoidable process in our entire immigration apparatus.

What im getting at is that from what I have gathered you support a policy to give green cards to people with deportation orders and people that have deliberately broken the law, so I was just surprised to hear that you speak out against asylum for these guys

Unless I'm missing something if these people had come illegally you would support giving them a green card, but apparently you feel the laws of asylum are more sacrosanct then all the other immigration laws

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Demons dont want you to have control over the mind of your child.

Please do not let your children watch television without your supervision.

People who dont watch television have a completely different outlook on life compared to people, that do and typically the people that watch a lot of TV have a demonic outlook on life.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

The reason this case is being argued is that the US Federal Government doesn't want to start giving asylum status to what aren't asylum cases. The German family is arguing that they should be granted asylum here because they will be persecuted in Germany, where persecution is defined as not being able to homeschool. Asylum status here is reserved for people who are experiencing serious threat of actual discrimination and death. So in order to secure it, the German family's lawyer has to argue that this family is having a fundamental right violated by not being able to homeschool their child in Germany.

If the US agrees to this, then we'll have to start giving asylums out to all kinds of people. Muslims from France can say that having the veil banned there means they should be able to get asylum here, for example, which is extreme. They will be put in the same category with, and potentially take spots away from people who are actually facing the threat of death and much more serious violations.

That's the real lens through which you should be looking at this case. The government isn't saying that banning homeschooling would be totally fine. Yes, not being able to homeschool is wrong, and yes, banning it is a violation of some kind, maybe even a violation of a right, but it's not a violation of a fundamental right, which is a special legal category and not the same as other rights. These people don't deserve the same legal status as real asylum seekers. If they want to leave Germany and come here, let them immigrate legally and go through the same process as regular immigrants, rather than taking spots away from people who will die if they don't get asylum.

bravo sir bravo

 

[Brown_Pride]

What im getting at is that from what I have gathered you support a policy to give green cards to people with deportation orders and people that have deliberately broken the law, so I was just surprised to hear that you speak out against asylum for these guys

Unless I'm missing something if these people had come illegally you would support giving them a green card, but apparently you feel the laws of asylum are more sacrosanct then all the other immigration laws

maybe it is just me but the laws of asylum, again IMHO, are a little more sacrosanct.

As i see asylum it's reserved for people in a shyt situation facing death or worse when they are returned to their home country. Forgive my "compassion" for someone who's going to get chopped up in front of their kids vs someone who wants to come here to work.

Attempting to dilute the importance of asylum by equating it to a run of the mill immigration case is damn near inhuman.

On that note FUK those Germany people for attempting this crap.

I'd much rather they just went off the grid like you first suggested then want to claim asylum because they can't home school.

 

[theworldismine13]

maybe it is just me but the laws of asylum, again IMHO, are a little more sacrosanct.

As i see asylum it's reserved for people in a shyt situation facing death or worse when they are returned to their home country. Forgive my "compassion" for someone who's going to get chopped up in front of their kids vs someone who wants to come here to work.

Attempting to dilute the importance of asylum by equating it to a run of the mill immigration case is damn near inhuman.

On that note FUK those Germany people for attempting this crap.

I'd much rather they just went off the grid like you first suggested then want to claim asylum because they can't home school.

well i was being sarcastic in my first post, i think if you are here illegally you should get deported and i think these people did the right thing, win or lose at least they went through the proper channels

i think its laughable and hypocritical to advocate handing over green cards to 11 million people who are by and large guilty of lying to government officials, lying on government forms and identity theft but then turn around and have any sort of outrage at this couple and demand that the letter of the law be followed

it just exposes that yall dont really believe in the rule of law

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Another shytty thekingsmen thread. What else is new?

 

[Brown_Pride]

well i was being sarcastic in my first post, i think if you are here illegally you should get deported and i think these people did the right thing, win or lose at least they went through the proper channels

i think its laughable and hypocritical to advocate handing over green cards to 11 million people who are by and large guilty of lying to government officials, lying on government forms and identity theft but then turn around and have any sort of outrage at this couple and demand that the letter of the law be followed

it just exposes that yall dont really believe in the rule of law

I believe in the rule of pragmatism. We've been down this road you and I. 11 Million self deportations is not going to happen, nor is some mass round up going to happen. What then? Keep things as they are or do you work withthe problem?

The immigration "problem" is much like the weed "problem."

In an effort to "enforce the law" more damage has been done to society than would have been done had the issue never even been addressed. It's for this reason i say as an american we should capitalize on both problems and turn weakness into strength.

We can tax both, it's really that simple.

Outside of, "it's the law" there is no reason to fight either of these problems, makes sense to change the law.

 

[theworldismine13]

I believe in the rule of pragmatism. We've been down this road you and I. 11 Million self deportations is not going to happen, nor is some mass round up going to happen. What then? Keep things as they are or do you work withthe problem?

The immigration "problem" is much like the weed "problem."

In an effort to "enforce the law" more damage has been done to society than would have been done had the issue never even been addressed. It's for this reason i say as an american we should capitalize on both problems and turn weakness into strength.

We can tax both, it's really that simple.

Outside of, "it's the law" there is no reason to fight either of these problems, makes sense to change the law.

no thanks, ill just stick to the rule of law

 

[Brown_Pride]

no thanks, ill just stick to the rule of law

Why not it's worked well so far...


illegal immigration is illegal, weed is illegal and we don't have either of those things

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

If there is one thing this country doesn't need, it's more homeschooled evangelical nut jobs with no social skills.

 

[Brown_Pride]

no thanks, ill just stick to the rule of law

one last thing...
it's real funny you try to hold up "the law" as if you're on some moral highground.

For someone as ...afrocentric... as yourself, you'd think you'd know by now that sometimes the LAW AINT RIGHT.

 

[theworldismine13]

Why not it's worked well so far...


illegal immigration is illegal, weed is illegal and we don't have either of those things

the rule of law has worked so far, the lack of rule of law in mexico is the main reason why 11 million illegals leave their country

 

[theworldismine13]

one last thing...
it's real funny you try to hold up "the law" as if you're on some moral highground.

For someone as ...afrocentric... as yourself, you'd think you'd know by now that sometimes the LAW AINT RIGHT.

if you think the law isnt right then you should take it up with your congressperson

as an "afrocentric" i support the constitution of the united states and civil rights laws, the rule of law is a beautiful thing, any "afrocentric" person that doesnt support the rule of law is retarded

 

[The Real]

What im getting at is that from what I have gathered you support a policy to give green cards to people with deportation orders and people that have deliberately broken the law, so I was just surprised to hear that you speak out against asylum for these guys

Unless I'm missing something if these people had come illegally you would support giving them a green card, but apparently you feel the laws of asylum are more sacrosanct then all the other immigration laws

You are missing something. There's no proper analogy that can be drawn between these people and illegal immigrants. Your hypothetical actually has nothing to do with this situation, and for the record, I would have been opposed to them coming here illegally, too.

The laws of asylum aren't more or less "sacrosanct" than immigration laws. I largely agree with the asylum setup within our current framework- I don't agree with our immigration laws. Accepting one does not necessitate accepting the other, so there is no inconsistency there.