Eric Adams in 2024?

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Pretending an indoor inauguration is 4D-chess is almost as dumb as claiming to be a race that you're not for clout on a message board

Pretending an indoor inauguration is 4D-chess is almost as dumb as claiming to be a race that you're not for clout on a message board

What are his economic and other domestic policies besides locking nikkas up? We gotta stop voting for people without knowing their agenda.

Adams Cancels Inauguration Plans In Face of COVID Surge

Guess his career is over

Do people not realize how much this shyt is going to help his career?

He's about to be the black Cuomo and its going to work.

 

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I mean does ehe need other economic and domestic policies when that checks all the boxes?


I honestly think he ends up getting indicted himself before his term is over...

I legit wouldn't be shocked...but... something about this guy is working.

 

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Dude said, "saying I support solitary confinement is just a lie. I support punitive segregation ...Literally the first line of this NYC Board of Corrections piece says

Punitive Segregation (PSEG, also known as solitary confinement)

Punitive Segregation - BOC

 

[Macallik86]

I mean does ehe need other economic and domestic policies when that checks all the boxes?


I honestly think he ends up getting indicted himself before his term is over...

This.

I remember in the primaries how he said the shyt about hundreds of kids in a Zoom meeting being the future and then when he started to feel the heat on it, he straight up lied on the radio on WQHT about a soundbite that is easily found. Not a political spin or a half truth, but more of a complete disregard of the facts. I don't trust most politicians, but he seems excessively unscrupulous... Kwame Kilpatrick/Clay Davis vibes.

Do people not realize how much this shyt is going to help his career?

He's about to be the black Cuomo and its going to work.

As a progressive, I don't have quite the level of disdain for your posts unlike the rest of the board. With that said, this is one of the worst takes I've seen in a minute. You are out here cosigning dictatorial tendencies because it mirrors a prior Mayor who was railroaded for sexual abuse specifically but generally had a target on his back in large part due to his dictatorial tendencies.

The people in power are beholden to the people, not the people who have been police officers for 22 years. This is the ridiculous thing about him as a politician. He just completely disregards facts and plays a race card or a cop card.

He might be able to play the race card around any untoward corruption schemes that he will inevitably be tied up in, but the minute police kill someone unjustly or one of his 'unchallengeable' choices harms black/brown people, he will burn up a lot of the capital he created over the years, and will lose the main tool of his arsenal

 

[Wargames]

What are his economic and other domestic policies besides locking nikkas up? We gotta stop voting for people without knowing their agenda.

So I actually went a early fundraiser (pre-Covid) for him and he spent a lot of time talking about using data to make decisions as Mayor… I expect him to do what the data says work and to justify controversial decisions by quoting the data. I also think he is going to ride agencies hard than deBlasio because the budget won’t be there for speculative social service programs like Thrivenyc. He is a practical politician and is open to “new ideas” and if you’re a donor or a trusted supporter you’re ideas take priority.

Honestly it’s too soon to say what his policies are. He seems happy to let deBlasio run the year out. Taking over during Covid is going to be a bytch and it’s not like deBlasio best people are still around as part of the transition.

Honestly everyone focuses on him being black and say he’ll be like Dinkins or because he was a cop and say he’ll be like Rudy. However, the guy who he reminds me of from my experience would be Ed Koch. He has that weird off beatness to him and he is a show man…

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Jahana Hayes should be on tap for 2028-2040 elections

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Do people not realize how much this shyt is going to help his career?

He's about to be the black Cuomo and its going to work.

He’s right

 

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With that said, this is one of the worst takes I've seen in a minute. You are out here cosigning dictatorial tendencies because it mirrors a prior Mayor

I am not condoning his stances , opinions or strategies. I’m doing what I did when trump was around. Trying to point out things that will resonate with his supporters and trying to make honest predictions. I don’t like being blindsided and I would be irresponsible to not acknowledge that how he presents doesn’t have some sort of bluster that a plurality of voters actually like.

there is a tendency on this forum to be incapable of assessing political strengths without having people think you’re defending them or preferring them.

he’s not my type of politician but he is for many

 

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Dude said, "saying I support solitary confinement is just a lie. I support punitive segregation ...Literally the first line of this NYC Board of Corrections piece says



Punitive Segregation - BOC

Yep. He’s going to get far out here. After trump. If y’all are confused about this sort of bluster you’re mistaken.

 

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I remember in the primaries how he said the shyt about hundreds of kids in a Zoom meeting being the future and then when he started to feel the heat on it, he straight up lied on the radio on WQHT about a soundbite that is easily found. Not a political spin or a half truth, but more of a complete disregard of the facts. I don't trust most politicians, but he seems excessively unscrupulous... Kwame Kilpatrick/Clay Davis vibes.

Calling him a liar won’t cut it anymore. It’s not the own you think it is. The Boy Scout era of politicians is dormant for now. Blue City Democrats are going to start getting tougher on crime, and moving to the center, as a way of staving off rising conservative malaise with cities and lack of real progression. Eric Adams unfortunately has many of these characteristics that show a certain strength and resolve to not care about needling media figures claim to care about or represent. I don’t think you understand anything and you haven’t paid attention to what made Trump so successful. If you want someone on our side to basically go through walls, this is what is going to look like

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Dude said, "saying I support solitary confinement is just a lie. I support punitive segregation ...Literally the first line of this NYC Board of Corrections piece says



Punitive Segregation - BOC

Basically what he is saying is inmates who are dangerous not getting coddled they will be punished… Under Deblasio he made DOC got rid of solitary confinement and gave them inmates rights… He put former inmates on the board of governors for the DOC too.. What Adams is saying is later for all of that shyt violating inmates not getting rewarded…

Folk want to play the semantics game about punitive segregation and solitary confinement.. It’s not hard to see what exactly he’s talking about.. if you not a nyc resident it’s going to go over your head

 

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Basically what he is saying is inmates who are dangerous not getting coddled they will be punished… Under Deblasio he made DOC got rid of solitary confinement and gave them inmates rights… He put former inmates on the board of governors for the DOC too.. What Adams is saying is later for all of that shyt violating inmates not getting rewarded…

Folk want to play the semantics game about punitive segregation and solitary confinement.. It’s not hard to see what exactly he’s talking about.. if you not a nyc resident it’s going to go over your head

I'm from NYC with family that's been in the system (thankfully it's been a long time since, but I got stories of close relatives from the Tombs to Rykers from Giuliani era and prior. DeBlasio didn't eliminate solitary confinement but he did decrease how long inmates could be kept in. Here's the changes he made

De Blasio Plan to Eliminate Solitary Confinement Falls Short for Inmate Advocates

Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Monday his highly anticipated plan to “end” solitary confinement — but some inmate advocates, including Layleen Polanco’s sister, charge the overhaul doesn’t go far enough.

Inmates in so-called punitive segregation would get a minimum of 10-hours outside of their cell each day under the proposed “risk management accountability system,” with a three-tiered “progression model.”

Detainees would also receive a minimum of five hours of programming and be allowed to socialize with one other inmate in an infirmary area on Rikers Island. But the proposed new rules, which must be approved by the city’s Board of Correction, don’t put a limit on how many days an inmate could spend in punitive segregation.

“We are making good on our commitment to ban solitary confinement altogether, creating jails that are fundamentally smaller, safer, and fairer,” the mayor said in a statement Monday.

But there were still major issues from the activist wing.

Still, Cohen and inmates-rights advocates are opposed to having people housed in cage-like cells instead of more spacious units.

They are also against allowing jail officials to keep people in the unit indefinitely. Inmates will not be able to have a lawyer or advocate argue on their behalf before they are sent to the punishment unit.

“It feels like they are ending solitary in name only,” said Jennifer Parish, director of criminal justice advocacy at the Urban Justice Center Mental Health Project.

Parish and others are also concerned about the quality of programming the people in the unit will get.

“They don’t seem to have specific criteria,” she said. “In the past they’ve just taken pages out of workbooks.”

That was the big issue when Deblasio improved it somewhat. The lack of representation and clarity on how one could improve their situation.

Supporters of the new rules point out that an adjudication system overseen by a jail captain will decide whether an inmate should be punished. Advocates want the accused to either have a lawyer, or a jailhouse advocate, to argue on their behalf.

And that's not to say there weren't real improvements. But the improvements basically just meant not treating people like straight-up animals anymore.

Still, Bryanne Hamill, a former Board of Corrections member who led the charge to end solitary confinement, called the proposed rules “absolutely terrific.”

Hamill, a retired family court judge, pointed out that the mayor’s plan would eliminate the use of so-called restraint desks where some young adults have their legs shackled during their few hours out of their cells.

“That was cruel and inhuman punishment, just like solitary confinement,” she said, adding the city has also agreed to finally end the co-mingling of young adults with adult inmates.

DeBlasio took some good steps, but it was pretty low-hanging fruit. It's important to note that Deblasio's system already set up to reward good behavior and punish bad. But the debates that continued were about who decides about the qualifications. The semantics games that Deblasio played painted his action as more than what it was and Adams is running with that same baton.

 

[Macallik86]

Calling him a liar won’t cut it anymore. It’s not the own you think it is. The Boy Scout era of politicians is dormant for now. Blue City Democrats are going to start getting tougher on crime, and moving to the center, as a way of staving off rising conservative malaise with cities and lack of real progression. Eric Adams unfortunately has many of these characteristics that show a certain strength and resolve to not care about needling media figures claim to care about or represent. I don’t think you understand anything and you haven’t paid attention to what made Trump so successful. If you want someone on our side to basically go through walls, this is what is going to look like

Sorry, you are misinterpreting what I said. I am not calling him a liar, I am saying he is a terrible politician because he doesn't care about the truth. You can reframe it as "he is taking the best traits of Trump" if that helps deal with any cognitive dissonance... but in terms of living in a democracy, he is a terrible flag-bearer, regardless of whether he's successful/(re)elected.

There are those who think the end justifies the means or to fight fire with fire and stoop to the level of Republicans, and confuse living in a democracy with winning a popularity contest. I have no doubt they also likely rooting for other obviously corrupt/inept flashy Democratic candidates a la Michael Avenatti, and fail to see how those character traits lead to poor decision making in the long run. It is a tragedy in the literal sense of the word... heralding strongman characteristics as some type of post-modern politician is misguided... it's actually just a throwback that requires an uninformed public (and won't be sustainable once his first scandal hits).

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

I'm from NYC with family that's been in the system (thankfully it's been a long time since, but I got stories of close relatives from the Tombs to Rykers from Giuliani era and prior. DeBlasio didn't eliminate solitary confinement but he did decrease how long inmates could be kept in. Here's the changes he made

De Blasio Plan to Eliminate Solitary Confinement Falls Short for Inmate Advocates



But there were still major issues from the activist wing.



That was the big issue when Deblasio improved it somewhat. The lack of representation and clarity on how one could improve their situation.



And that's not to say there weren't real improvements. But the improvements basically just meant not treating people like straight-up animals anymore.



DeBlasio took some good steps, but it was pretty low-hanging fruit. It's important to note that Deblasio's system already set up to reward good behavior and punish bad. But the debates that continued were about who decides about the qualifications. The semantics games that Deblasio played painted his action as more than what it was and Adams is running with that same baton.

I know a lot of DOC COs and under Deblasio leadership corrections has gone to complete shyt…. Officers getting assaulted , officers working 20 hrs straight 5 days a week.. Deblasio hired a convicted felon as deputy warden

 

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I know a lot of DOC COs and under Deblasio leadership corrections has gone to complete shyt…. Officers getting assaulted , officers working 20 hrs straight 5 days a week.. Deblasio hired a convicted felon as deputy warden

I'm not saying any of that is false, and it's not really surprising with DeBlasio being a mediocrity of a leader. But I don't think those circumstances should/could be directly correlated to shifting solitary confinement toward more humane approaches with rewards for good behavior when that shyt is so new.

I'd throw it into the same subset as blaming crime waves on the Defund Movement. You've gotta draw correlations using some kinda data because there are other potential variables (specifically the elephant in the room that is COVID). With the Defund one, we can especially point to COVID because crime data has acted similarly in blue and red cities; with defunded and non-defunded police budgets alike.

For this one on the CO's, I'm not even sure where to begin to be honest. But I just have doubts about using anecdotes to justify locking people in very small quarters with nothing but four walls for 23 hours at a time. Especially not without lawyers or some kinda representation making sure that type of shyt is necessary for the individuals being locked in like that.