dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
I’m going to have to take about 15 accounts off ignore next week
Elizabeth Warren HQ: She's Got A Plan!
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Kingcobrakai
Pro
And that’s the story of the whole primary. Warren supporters went “Hey, these 2 could work to destroy the rest of the field then fight head to head shifting the party more progressive and everyone wins”
Bernie surrogates and supporters went “She should just drop out and support Bernie” “She’s not a real progressive.” “Her plans aren’t enough” and then when she (ill-advised) owned up to the conversation about him saying a woman can’t win this election......... They complained she attacked him. “She’s a snake”
The moderates did what they had to do to consolidate their base, while Bernie Bros aren’t being pragmatic on any level. And now it’s going to be rigged against him no matter how many of Bernie’s “base” don’t show up to vote.
Hate to see it happen to Brooklyn Bernard, but even Trump owns his supporters’ actions (“Mighty fine people on both sides”). If Bernie came out and said “If you’re a supporter of mine, we keep it clean. We argue the facts and the policy. We don’t ........”, he’d lose 30% of his base because they love being the victim that throws rocks at everyone else. He knows it. They know it.
I’ll be out here voting for Joe in November. Either you’re with us or you’re for Trump. That’s the way the Bernie Bros wanted it.
NZA
LOL
now we have to hear moderates pretend like they admire liz for about 2 days...
I think Warren was a much better candidate than Clinton, but do you think if she had ran in 2016 she may have still faced some backlash afterwards for having challenged Hillary?
Even if she lost, having consistent progressive candidates running with popularity only helps IMO.
Secure Da Bag
Veteran
From the party elites? Yeah. From the base, I doubt it. The base wanted her to run.
Secure Da Bag
Veteran
It won't be much. I called him out last year on this. His plan was always push Warren until Biden becomes the frontrunner. I have to find that quote.
Secure Da Bag
Veteran
This is from May 2019
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That's not why Nap is on her clit.
He's trying, bless his heart, to convince everyone that we should vote for Warren instead of Sanders. Then after he feels he has completed that task, he'll move on to say that Warren can't win so we should vote for Biden or Harris. The whole thing is a failed, thinly-veiled smokescreen for his anti-Bernie stalkering. (yes, stalkering)
Elizabeth Warren departs the presidential race disappointed: ‘I really thought we could do it’
By Jess Bidgood Globe Staff,Updated March 5, 2020, 11:05 p.m.
Elizabeth Warren with husband Bruce and dog Bailey by her side officially announced that she is ending her 2020 Presidential campaign outside her Cambridge residence.Barry Chin/Globe Staff
“I think I would have made a better president than either one of them, that’s why I was running,” Warren said in an interview. “I thought it was worth fighting for another approach.”
The progressive firebrand endured humbling moments during her year-long run, especially the slew of disappointing third-place finishes on Super Tuesday that included her home state. Her voice cracked with emotion when she spoke with reporters earlier in the day. But a few hours later, Warren seemed galvanized by a campaign that has left her convinced of the power and import of her ideas — and, despite the whirlwind of speculation outside her door, defiant at the notion that she might now be obligated to lend another candidate her support during the primary.
“Why would I owe anybody an endorsement?” she said. "Is that a question they asked everybody else who dropped out of this race?”
Her exit on Thursday morning, announced first in a call to her staff and then on the street outside her house, came amid a sudden winnowing in what was one of the most diverse presidential fields in history. That field is now limited to two white men in their late 70s who Warren said in the last days of her campaign could both fail to meet the moment, although she said Thursday that she will “wholeheartedly” support the eventual nominee.
It was unclear which candidate would benefit the most from Warren’s departure. According to polling done this week by Morning Consult, 43 percent of Warren supporters said Sanders was their second choice, while 36 percent said it was Biden.
From the start of her bid, Warren’s aggressive plans to reduce political corruption and pay attention to the long shadow of structural racism delighted many progressives, but she never made wide enough inroads with voters of color or working-class Democrats who might have propelled her to victory.
Hers was a meticulous campaign that sought to change the country and politics itself, one that showed a candidate could raise real money without exclusive fund-raisers and pushed many of her competitors to give their campaigns the kind of substance baked into hers.
And it all changed Warren, too.
“There’s just a hundred ways that I’m smarter and tougher now,” she said during the interview, in which she described the policy plans she is leaving behind as a road map she hopes any future president — Democrat or Republican — will carry forward.
“I have an even clearer sense now of the world we could build,” Warren said. “The pieces are far more real. And it makes losing this chance to lead our government to make those changes far more painful.”
The campaign’s beating heart was Warren herself, who used her up-from-the-bootstraps personal story and unyielding willingness to meet personally with voters to try to connect with an electorate that could never shake its doubts about whether she could win.
Warren’s exit has raised urgent new questions about the challenges for women and people of color seeking the highest office in the land.
“I’m disappointed. And I’m disappointed for all the little girls I did pinkie promises with. I’m disappointed for all the junior high debaters who believed that we could have a woman be president in 2020,” she said.
“I’m disappointed," she added, "because I really thought we could do it.”
The next few weeks seem destined to become an ideological battle over the future of the Democratic Party between Biden, who has the freshly consolidated support of the establishment and obvious momentum, and Sanders, the democratic socialist who has promised a revolution.
Elizabeth Warren suspends her campaign for President
Senator Warren explains her thoughts surrounding the end of her campaign.(Photo: Erin Clark/Globe Staff, Video: Handout)
From the start, Warren sought to be a bridge between those two factions in the Democratic Party, mirroring how her own life and political rise have spanned different worlds.
She was an Oklahoma-born commuter college graduate whose mother didn’t believe she should go to college who became a Harvard professor with an expertise in bankruptcy, one who switched her voter registration from Republican to Democrat in the 1990s when she came to believe government was putting the interests of corporations above regular families.
As a candidate, she was an insurgent liberal who tried to use phone calls and fund-raising for others to make inroads with the Democratic establishment, even as she proudly rejected some of its trappings.
And while she was ideologically aligned with Sanders, she wanted to build support on the left while also appealing to women who backed Hillary Clinton in 2016.
But on Thursday, Warren said she had misread the contours of a race that had a deeper divide between liberal and moderate voters than she ever wanted to believe. “The moment in time matters,” Warren said. “If it is the case that most people in America see only two lanes right now and they fought for one of those two lanes, then all the things that were within our control couldn’t quite break through that.”
She ultimately found herself without a lane when voters went to the polls, placing third in Iowa, fourth in New Hampshire and Nevada, and fifth in South Carolina. She failed to build winning coalitions even in liberal bastions like California and her home state of Massachusetts — a loss she downplayed when she spoke with reporters on Thursday.
“I am deeply grateful to the people of Massachusetts,” Warren said. “Back in 2012, they took a chance on someone who had never run for public office before. . . . They’re the reason I’m in this fight and they’re the reason I am able to stand here today.”
At the beginning of her campaign, Warren had low polling numbers and thin fund-raising, hobbled by the hangover from a widely panned DNA test she took to prove her claims of Indian ancestry. She rolled out her first major policy plan — a small tax on the wealthiest Americans — in January, and soon turned ideas to break up big tech companies and tax corporate profits at a higher rate into the fuel for her summer-long rise in the polls.
Over the course of the spring, “I have a plan for that” became an applause line and then a rallying cry — and she seemed to be a neat foil to an incumbent president who has never dwelled on the details. Her campaign focused on hiring organizers, especially in Iowa, envisioning a long brawl for the nomination, and they bet that their early investment on the ground would lift them above opponents who planned to spend gobs of money on television — an assumption that turned out ultimately to be incorrect.
Warren often told the story of her own upbringing, with voters listening in rapt silence as she described her family’s financial insecurity and her “twisty-turny” path from being a college dropout to a senator.
But it was never clear that Warren was able to get that story to resonate beyond the hyper-engaged voters who came to her campaign events.
And while she won wide praise from Black activists for speaking directly and thoughtfully about structural racism, she failed to draw enough supporters from voters of color when they went to the polls.
In the interview, Warren said that she was proud of her campaign’s strategy, but that it simply wasn’t right for the political moment.
“The big decisions were right. The team we built was right. Even if we’d improved some other things, I don’t think it would have changed the outcome,” she said. “This is just a different moment in time and I’m sorry that that’s the case.”
Warren said she made her decision to drop out Wednesday. She gathered all the information she could about the Super Tuesday results — “Where are we?” she asked. “Where are we relative to others?”
Holed up at home, she held a series of calls with her team and spoke with endorsers like former presidential candidate Julian Castro and California Representative Katie Porter. (She texted with Massachusetts Representative Ayanna Pressley, she said.)
“There were people who said stay in this through the debate, this is too volatile, this is moving too fast — a week ago nobody thought we’d be where we were today,” Warren said, describing those discussions.
“And there’s truth in that, but delegates are being decided in each of these races,” she said. “So I’m pretty clear it was the right thing to do.”
And as Wednesday wound down, Warren said, she and her husband, Bruce Mann, did something they did not have much time for while she was a presidential candidate: They started watching the 3½-hour movie “The Irishman.”
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intra vires
Glory to Michigan
I'm posting these for those, like myself, who didn't get a chance to watch the interview when it initially aired.
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Why do a few of you keep pushing such a bullshyt narrative?
I was one of the strongest voices saying that Bernie and Warren supporters should work together and focus on the rest of the field rather than attacking each other, and I got clowned for it by certain Warren supporters and certain Sanders supporters both. This very thread has attacks on Bernie supporters, Warren supporters talking about how much they hate Bernie, etc. And you're talking like it was Bernie who chose to punch left and attack Warren when the key moments weren't exactly in that direction.
Both sides had an element that had personal feelings about the other side and felt it more necessary to stan their own candidate than work towards the primary objective of getting a progressive candidate in the White House. That is what it is - what do you think attempting (poorly) to litigate that is going to accomplish?
JMurder
SOHH Member since 01...
I feel like the only Warren supporter who stacks Bernie supporters is Nap...
Yep
Lol. Not only did I quote one in that very comment, but then one of the worst offenders immediately responded right afterwards
Absolutely. But with Hillary losing, that opens things up.