Edge and Christian Podcast w/ John Cena (talks retirement, complacency in WWE, best rivalries)

[mrken12]

And of course the butt hurried frail vegan worshippers show up with their emotions in their fingers typing aimlessly and rambling in an attempt to reinvent history in their own skewed narrative
Don't let me post more facts or expose you again, champ

You're more obsessed with Daniel Bryan than he is. Both you and R=G need to sit down somewhere.

 

[WMG the 2nd]

Paragraphs upon paragraphs
A bunch of weak punches and baseless jokes
Yet you will be front and center every single week until you die from dehydration from masturbating furiously hours upon hours in that damp, dark hole of a house to Breezy Brianna and her delectable cheekbones and continuing to harp on in 1999 in Little Rock, Arkansas how the rock out popped cripple h in front of 76 thousand people and got an 6.9 rating and how you hate blandy with his perfect drop kick and his sleeve tats, or how this big conspiracy theory on how chris Benoit didn't really kill his family or how Daniel Bryan was held back and was zack Ryder status until you single handily pushed him to the fore front, how Aj lee is the most important athlete of a generation, and how you carried a internet message board with maybe 100 dedicated users to the upper echelon of internet wrestling sub forum communities on this server from 2002 to 2017 and beyond and how it's imperative everyone remembers you as a wiz kid of random, useless seconds when a crowd cheered or booed for your favorite man in underwear and not the other guy because that's all that matters and also how if anyone disagrees you come up with unarguably the worst nicknames ever
Also u have shytty hair
And your mustache is stupid

And to all the rest throwing shots at god you only get half a bar
fukk y'all

 

[Jmare007]

Cena certainly knows his shyt and I agree with his assessment of current WWE talent. I did laugh about him talking about being obsessed with storytelling and loving it so much and at the same time being the guy who would lose a title match (or any important match) and the very next day act like everything was shyts and giggles and cut a happy go lucky promo

He also explained his transformation to PWG Cena in the last few years: adapting to new talent, giving them the type of match were they can showcase their full potential and the kind of match he believed the audience wanted. I don't completely agree with that mindset (you don't need a ridiculous spotfest, as crazy fun as it may be, to accomplish that, specially when you do it so many times with different talent), but I see were he's coming from at least.

 

[TL15]

Goddamn man some of you guys get so caught up with a bunch of other grown men entertainers that you don't know it's really sad

Anyway...it was a good listen. It's funny looking back that he says Edge was his most natural opponent. He talks about guys not really going after it and reaching for the moon AFTER he feuds with them and also talks about how he brings the best out of people because of his spotlight.

He puts over AJ Bryan Punk and Owens in the interview (calls them all great wrestlers) talks about his future and how he is slowing down...puts over RR's last segment before No Mercy and how he "finally" is becoming himself.

One thing interesting is he feels that talent should talk to Vince more. I think he's a little delusional about how "easy" it is for them (pure speculation) because business has changed over the last 15 years. His perspective in 2017 may not be the same as Tyler Breeze or Sami Zayn so I kinda took his position as a bit of "earned naivety" since newcomers may not have access to Vince like that.

Overall really good listen. Cena is a likable passionate guy and it comes off.

 

[Kalut]

They didn't mention Nexus during the interview.

You get John on the show and not bring that up to his face though? Edge is either stooging or im just tryin to beat on a dead horse
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[mrken12]

You get John on the show and not bring that up to his face though? Edge is either stooging or im just tryin to beat on a dead horse
()

It's already been talked about and Nexus is irrelevant.

 

[TransJenner]

Even when the nexus angle happened I never understood why everyone was so hyped


They all looked generic as shyt

 

[reigun]

Goddamn man some of you guys get so caught up with a bunch of other grown men entertainers that you don't know it's really sad

Anyway...it was a good listen. It's funny looking back that he says Edge was his most natural opponent. He talks about guys not really going after it and reaching for the moon AFTER he feuds with them and also talks about how he brings the best out of people because of his spotlight.

He puts over AJ Bryan Punk and Owens in the interview (calls them all great wrestlers) talks about his future and how he is slowing down...puts over RR's last segment before No Mercy and how he "finally" is becoming himself.

One thing interesting is he feels that talent should talk to Vince more. I think he's a little delusional about how "easy" it is for them (pure speculation) because business has changed over the last 15 years. His perspective in 2017 may not be the same as Tyler Breeze or Sami Zayn so I kinda took his position as a bit of "earned naivety" since newcomers may not have access to Vince like that.

Overall really good listen. Cena is a likable passionate guy and it comes off.

Even Batista, who has managed to reach a comparable level to Cena both inside and outside WWE, noted how different things were during last run vs when he started. More restrictions, different structure, etc. When Cena, Edge, and Jericho all harp on talking to Vince, I do agree it may be naive on their part. The three of them are basically living legends who came up in a different time; of course they'd have a level of access and control over their characters that most guys working today simply do not. Like, I don't think Ariya Davari can just waltz into Vince's office and complain he's not being featured on TV.

It's interesting to me how quick everyone is to blame talent only when we all know how scatterbrained and poorly managed WWE creative can be. You can get over and they'll still find a way to squander it. Look at Heath Slater. They gave him what was probably supposed to be a throwaway story at the start, and he turned into a run that got him over huge as midcard babyface. He made the most of his chance, and what happened? They pushed him and Rhyno aside because they really wanted to push American Alpha, and then again because the Wyatt Family story needed some intrigue.

Now I'm not saying Heath Slater was going to be a WWE champion or anything. But here's a clear example of someone who did what Cena said and made the most of his chances, and the company still chose to get behind someone else. In that environment, of course you're going to have talent get complacent. It's like any job. If the company isn't going to reward your work, then fukk it. Why put forth the effort if the powers that be aren't going to uphold their end of things?

And that's not me absolving talent of their responsibility. I do agree with Cena that you have to look out for yourself, and that WWE offers more chances than ever to get out there and do things beyond wrestling. Everyone should be taking advantage of that. But that doesn't change the fact that the system is fundamentally broken and places more barriers in front of talent today than is really necessary. Some people have managed to navigate that system, but I have a hard time believing that all the talent that has come through WWE's doors during Cena's time only found themselves depushed or missused because they didn't try hard enough.

 

[Golayitdown]

Even Batista, who has managed to reach a comparable level to Cena both inside and outside WWE, noted how different things were during last run vs when he started. More restrictions, different structure, etc. When Cena, Edge, and Jericho all harp on talking to Vince, I do agree it may be naive on their part. The three of them are basically living legends who came up in a different time; of course they'd have a level of access and control over their characters that most guys working today simply do not. Like, I don't think Ariya Davari can just waltz into Vince's office and complain he's not being featured on TV.

It's interesting to me how quick everyone is to blame talent only when we all know how scatterbrained and poorly managed WWE creative can be. You can get over and they'll still find a way to squander it. Look at Heath Slater. They gave him what was probably supposed to be a throwaway story at the start, and he turned into a run that got him over huge as midcard babyface. He made the most of his chance, and what happened? They pushed him and Rhyno aside because they really wanted to push American Alpha, and then again because the Wyatt Family story needed some intrigue.

Now I'm not saying Heath Slater was going to be a WWE champion or anything. But here's a clear example of someone who did what Cena said and made the most of his chances, and the company still chose to get behind someone else. In that environment, of course you're going to have talent get complacent. It's like any job. If the company isn't going to reward your work, then fukk it. Why put forth the effort if the powers that aren't going to uphold their end of things?

And that's not me absolving talent of their responsibility. I do agree with Cena that you have to look out for yourself, and that WWE offers more chances than ever to get out there and do things beyond wrestling. Everyone should be taking advantage of that. But that doesn't change the fact that the system is fundamentally broken and places more barriers in front of talent today than is really necessary. Some people have managed to navigate that system, but I have a hard time believing that all the talent that has come through WWE's doors during Cena's time only found themselves depushed or missused because they didn't try hard enough.

Facts.

Anybody who still believes that *only* going out and doing your best and "grabbing" that mythological brass ring after Zack Ryder is a fukking fool. I'm not even a minor fan of his but he hustled his ass off and did ALL the work and got organically over without any effort from the big machine. All they had to do was print the money, yet they still went out of their way to shyt on that man.

The truth is it does take passion, determination and all that other good buzzword shyt, but you have to get the green light from up above before you're going to sustain any kind of elite success.