Drew Brees Passes Peyton for Most TDs in history

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there's no argument :usure:


case is closed. yall go ahead and debate #2. numero dos.


leave the GOAT alone :skip:
Better argument than Peyton manning. Other than rings (which means a lot I know) how is Brady clearly the goat? Not saying I think hes better than brees but I think there's an argument to be made not counting rings (the lebron defense).
 

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Peyton >>> Drew. fukk the Saints :pacspit:

They still some bytches for that onside kick in the superbowl.
 

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Brees was not this caliber guy in San Diego. He was good, but he wasn't elite, he needed a Sean Payton to elevate his game...

San Diego probably still doesn't win a Super Bowl, because Brees without Payton still has to go through Manning and Brady every year. But he would have been better than Rivers, no doubt about it...

On the Manning note, we got to watch their careers side by side for what, 13-14 years? Manning was better no question about it----->but Brees was never far off. Peak Brees is just a slight level below the best version of Manning we saw...

Easily Top 10 GOAT and borderline Top 5...

Brees wasnt even in his prime yet in san diego and he managed to have a 27 and 7 season there that is elite
 

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Brees wasnt even in his prime yet in san diego and he managed to have a 27 and 7 season there that is elite

He sat behind Doug Flutie his rookie year, '01. His first year starting was '02, he wasn't Top 10 in anything and overall was probably only a borderline Top 20 QB...

Year 3, 2003, he was benched for old ass Doug Flutie, wasn't mentioned anywhere near even a league average starter. The Chargers were about ready to punt on Brees, if you recall, because thru 3 years he was looking to be a below-average pro quarterback. Let's not get revisionist here, the Chargers don't draft Rivers in '04 if Brees looked the part his first three years....

He didn't...

The year you're talking about is '04, which was his breakout year considering the pressure on him from Rivers in the wings. I do think you can make the argument that in 2004 he had a borderline Top 5 season, but it was the first year of his 4-year career he even played like a Top 5 guy. Keeping context, three mediocre years to one great year, he was bordering on elite that year, kind of how Dak is this year...

Year 5 was 2005, I think it was comfortable to say he was a Top 10 QB, particularly given the fact he put together back-to-back winning seasons and back-to-back elite, Top 10 level play. So I'll correct myself, I said he wasn't elite in San Diego, that isn't true. He was somewhere in that 7-10 range as a QB heading into 2006, highly regarded as a big free agent...

I guess my point was never in San Diego was he as good as he became in New Orleans. He didn't become rocket fuel Brees until he got to New Orleans with Payton, that '06 run to the NFC title game is when he really elevated as probably the best QB in the game outside of Manning and Brady, and added to that in the coming years. There are years in New Orleans he was debatable the best QB in football, there was never a year like that in San Diego...

So that was my point, but I misspoke and stand corrected!
 

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He sat behind Doug Flutie his rookie year, '01. His first year starting was '02, he wasn't Top 10 in anything and overall was probably only a borderline Top 20 QB...

Year 3, 2003, he was benched for old ass Doug Flutie, wasn't mentioned anywhere near even a league average starter. The Chargers were about ready to punt on Brees, if you recall, because thru 3 years he was looking to be a below-average pro quarterback. Let's not get revisionist here, the Chargers don't draft Rivers in '04 if Brees looked the part his first three years....

He didn't...

The year you're talking about is '04, which was his breakout year considering the pressure on him from Rivers in the wings. I do think you can make the argument that in 2004 he had a borderline Top 5 season, but it was the first year of his 4-year career he even played like a Top 5 guy. Keeping context, three mediocre years to one great year, he was bordering on elite that year, kind of how Dak is this year...

Year 5 was 2005, I think it was comfortable to say he was a Top 10 QB, particularly given the fact he put together back-to-back winning seasons and back-to-back elite, Top 10 level play. So I'll correct myself, I said he wasn't elite in San Diego, that isn't true. He was somewhere in that 7-10 range as a QB heading into 2006, highly regarded as a big free agent...

I guess my point was never in San Diego was he as good as he became in New Orleans. He didn't become rocket fuel Brees until he got to New Orleans with Payton, that '06 run to the NFC title game is when he really elevated as probably the best QB in the game outside of Manning and Brady, and added to that in the coming years. There are years in New Orleans he was debatable the best QB in football, there was never a year like that in San Diego...

So that was my point, but I misspoke and stand corrected!

Yea ur speaking facts but i give him the benefit of the doubt dor his sandiego years because he was still young and not even in his prime yet and that was back when it took yeers for qbs to develop
 
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