Dr. Oz is half-full of BS

[tru_m.a.c]

Really when has that happen? Show me where..

what are you talking about? your liver and kidneys do not require external sources to rid your body of waste materials

 

[thekingsmen]

this whole thread is about debunking Dr. Oz credibility, now you're. using him as a reference

Again as I said before earlier show me statistics of injury, death in what Oz has influenced people to buy and then show the same for BigPharma does. Show the statistics of how many people are better with the products with what OZ has influence those to buy and same with Big Pharma. You can't debunk him based off opinion.

 

[thekingsmen]

what are you talking about? your liver and kidneys do not require external sources to rid your body of waste materials

So you telling me the kidneys and liver detox 24 hours a day with someone on a extremely terrible diet. Example someone who drinks massive amounts of soda instead of water will have the same effect detoxifying as someone who drinks water all the time and no soda? Again show me where.

 

[Big Jo]

what are you talking about? your liver and kidneys do not require external sources to rid your body of waste materials

Do a pubmed search on milk thistle + liver please and then stop talking

 

[Kuwaiti_dude]

you know why?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I've had several psychologists\psychiatrists tell me that Pharm companies stay biting herbal remedies..

Herbs used for various conditions in SA\Asia and Africa, stay getting engineered over here and marked up 10000000%

The medical field is a surgery\drug industry, not a health industry

Countries who have universal healthcare are big on herbal remedies...

 

[OneManGang]

Again as I said before earlier show me statistics of injury, death in what Oz has influenced people to buy and then show the same for BigPharma does. Show the statistics of how many people are better with the products with what OZ has influence those to buy and same with Big Pharma. You can't debunk him based off opinion.

BigPharma is a business run by business people, not scientists. Many scientists who come up with and administer the products they produce don't agree with direct to consumer advertising. People hop on WebMD and self diagnose then basically force their physician to write scripts for them. It's a problem but nothing is being done because it makes the CEOs money. In a way it's justified because the legions of old white ladies on Ambien and Xanax actually bring in more R&D money to produce more important drugs and vaccines for at need people with terrible diseases. The downside is addiction is rampant and causes a negative image of big pharmacy to the public. Im a future healthcare provider and I honestly believe not vaccinating your child is the most selfish thing you can do in this country. It's all good until measles and mumps cripples you or some otherwise treatable disease. Here vaccinating protects the unvaccinated now but as more people shun vaccines, these viruses will make a comeback. It won't stop until there's a real epidemic on our soil. But that's my humble, educated opinion on the matter. We are taught that you do all you can to educate, but at the end of the day it is the patient's choice.

EDIT: Also herbs are a huge part of healthcare. The problem though is that there aren't many resources to confirm their effectiveness in emergency care and when problems already exist. They can be great in replenishing vital body chemicals and compounds or supplying antioxidants. But we are taught to use them. Many plants are isolated for their compounds and mass produced. Chemists do this daily. They are then industrially produced using man made pathways to increase yield, efficacy, and return a profit.

 

[Serious]

BigPharma is a business run by business people, not scientists. Many scientists who come up with and administer the products they produce don't agree with direct to consumer advertising. People hop on WebMD and self diagnose then basically force their physician to write scripts for them. It's a problem but nothing is being done because it makes the CEOs money. In a way it's justified because the legions of old white ladies on Ambien and Xanax actually bring in more R&D money to produce more important drugs and vaccines for at need people with terrible diseases. The downside is addiction is rampant and causes a negative image of big pharmacy to the public. Im a future healthcare provider and I honestly believe not vaccinating your child is the most selfish thing you can do in this country. It's all good until measles and mumps cripples you or some otherwise treatable disease. Here vaccinating protects the unvaccinated now but as more people shun vaccines, these viruses will make a comeback. It won't stop until there's a real epidemic on our soil. But that's my humble, educated opinion on the matter. We are taught that you do all you can to educate, but at the end of the day it is the patient's choice.

EDIT: Also herbs are a huge part of healthcare. The problem though is that there aren't many resources to confirm their effectiveness in emergency care and when problems already exist. They can be great in replenishing vital body chemicals and compounds or supplying antioxidants. But we are taught to use them. Many plants are isolated for their compounds and mass produced. Chemists do this daily. They are then industrially produced using man made pathways to increase yield, efficacy, and return a profit.

 

[the cac mamba]

See I was with you

 

[Serious]

What? He's not off base to be concerned about big pharma.......

But the second I saw vaccinations

 

[Brosef]

Dr. Oz is a fraud

Scientists often argue that, if alternative medicine proves effective through experimental research, it should no longer be considered alternative; at that point, it becomes medicine.

And that's the realest quote in this thread.

Theres no big pharma conspiracy that health care professionals are part of. If you do a study that shows an herbal, CAM, whatever works, a doctor that is taught in the way of evidence-based medicine (all north american schools) will prescribe it.

99% of people on this board make the mistake of thinking herbals are safer than prescription meds, when it's actually the other way around.

 

[Big Jo]

99% of people on this board make the mistake of thinking herbals are safer than prescription meds, when it's actually the other way around.

Oh eat a dikk. I've been experimenting extenisvely with herbs the last four years. I've experienced not ONE bad side effect from any herb or combination of herbs ever and believe me I megadose.

A doctor put me on Paxil and Concerta in 2005 and I ended up in a psych ward for six weeks from a drug interaction.

So dead that prescription meds are safer that herbs. No they fukking aren't

 

[OsO]

I've had several psychologists\psychiatrists tell me that Pharm companies stay biting herbal remedies..

Herbs used for various conditions in SA\Asia and Africa, stay getting engineered over here and marked up 10000000%

The medical field is a surgery\drug industry, not a health industry

Countries who have universal healthcare are big on herbal remedies...

BigPharma is a business run by business people, not scientists. Many scientists who come up with and administer the products they produce don't agree with direct to consumer advertising. People hop on WebMD and self diagnose then basically force their physician to write scripts for them. It's a problem but nothing is being done because it makes the CEOs money. In a way it's justified because the legions of old white ladies on Ambien and Xanax actually bring in more R&D money to produce more important drugs and vaccines for at need people with terrible diseases. The downside is addiction is rampant and causes a negative image of big pharmacy to the public. Im a future healthcare provider and I honestly believe not vaccinating your child is the most selfish thing you can do in this country. It's all good until measles and mumps cripples you or some otherwise treatable disease. Here vaccinating protects the unvaccinated now but as more people shun vaccines, these viruses will make a comeback. It won't stop until there's a real epidemic on our soil. But that's my humble, educated opinion on the matter. We are taught that you do all you can to educate, but at the end of the day it is the patient's choice.

EDIT: Also herbs are a huge part of healthcare. The problem though is that there aren't many resources to confirm their effectiveness in emergency care and when problems already exist. They can be great in replenishing vital body chemicals and compounds or supplying antioxidants. But we are taught to use them. Many plants are isolated for their compounds and mass produced. Chemists do this daily. They are then industrially produced using man made pathways to increase yield, efficacy, and return a profit.

5 years ago this was a conspiracy theory. glad to see the truth shining through... as it always does

 

[Brosef]

Oh eat a dikk. I've been experimenting extenisvely with herbs the last four years. I've experienced not ONE bad side effect from any herb or combination of herbs ever and believe me I megadose.

A doctor put me on Paxil and Concerta in 2005 and I ended up in a psych ward for six weeks from a drug interaction.

So dead that prescription meds are safer that herbs. No they fukking aren't

Yeah they are. herbals interact with other herbals and other medications too

http://www.aafp.org/afp/1999/0301/p1239.html

IDGAF if you've been experimenting. In a scientific study you would have an n=1, which is essentially meaningless. What they use in health care is advanced stats on pools of people e.g. n = 2000, so that they can draw stronger conclusions which can have broader generalizations across more populations

So it's you and your self-experimenting that can go eat a dikk

 

[Big Jo]

Yeah they are. herbals interact with other herbals and other medications too

http://www.aafp.org/afp/1999/0301/p1239.html

IDGAF if you've been experimenting. In a scientific study you would have an n=1, which is essentially meaningless. What they use in health care is advanced stats on pools of people e.g. n = 2000, so that they can draw stronger conclusions which can have broader generalizations across more populations

So it's you and your self-experimenting that can go eat a dikk

Whoa, a link with five herbs. mostly outlining interactions with pharmaceutical drugs. That sure put me in my place

But nah homeboy back up your claim that herbs are less safe than pharmacetical drugs...

You can't. You know why?

Most years there are zero deaths cause by herbals. Absolutely none. In a bad year, one or two, maybe five at the most. (These people were usually very ill to begin with but we'll still count them)

Compared to aspirin? Thousands of deaths every year. And pharmaceuticals?? Thousands and thousands more.

And you have the nerve to say they are safer