Dr. Oz is half-full of BS

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Oh eat a dikk. I've been experimenting extenisvely with herbs the last four years. I've experienced not ONE bad side effect from any herb or combination of herbs ever and believe me I megadose.

A doctor put me on Paxil and Concerta in 2005 and I ended up in a psych ward for six weeks from a drug interaction.

So dead that prescription meds are safer that herbs. No they fukking aren't
Damn thats fukked up that happened to you. People need to admit that prescription drugs are very dangerous as well. That's the first step. A lot rides on competent providers, attention to detail, and everyones body is different. Paxil is a SSRI. Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor. Basically it keeps serotonin in the active site longer so your brain chemistry is altered to a desirable state (very laymans terms). We arent all the way certain why this works but through years of doing it, we realized its effective. Same principle with Concerta. You probably need a PhD and years of research to TRY and explain why it works, we just know it does. I did a quick database search for this drug interaction (Paxil and Concerta) and one came up immediately (dosages are also important especially when figuring out how likely an interaction will be). Basically your doctor or pharmacist should have seen this could be a big issue when they were prescribed to you. Someone failed you, or your body reacted worse than normal. Dealing with any brain chemistry altering drug is tricky business. But honestly, herbs can fukk you just as easily, especially when taken in combination with other herbs or pharmaceuticals. I dont ever tell anyone herbs are stupid, because they arent and they do have a place in modern medicine, BUT I advise people to talk to their doctors or pharmacists to make sure regiments are healthy and do their own research just to be safe and knowledgeable and able to bring up concerns.
 

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Oh eat a dikk. I've been experimenting extenisvely with herbs the last four years. I've experienced not ONE bad side effect from any herb or combination of herbs ever and believe me I megadose.

A doctor put me on Paxil and Concerta in 2005 and I ended up in a psych ward for six weeks from a drug interaction.

So dead that prescription meds are safer that herbs. No they fukking aren't
Argue with people who work in healthcare / have advanced degrees in hard sciences brehs


:camby: beat it....
 

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Will we be surprised the day oprahs empire is snatched from her by cacs?
 

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Argue with people who work in healthcare / have advanced degrees in hard sciences brehs


:camby: beat it....

Basically your doctor or pharmacist should have seen this could be a big issue when they were prescribed to you. Someone failed you

^ Truth. So excuse me for not trusting the system.

And ironically this thread was created trying to discredit Dr. Oz, a Harvard graduate and heart surgeon. but now you've done a 180 and we should never question "people who work in healthcare"

Debunk Dr. Oz promoting the benefits of pomegranate seeds but blindly trust the pharmaceutical industry, brehs
 

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^ Truth. So excuse me for not trusting the system.

And ironically this thread was created trying to discredit Dr. Oz, a Harvard graduate and heart surgeon. but now you've done a 180 and we should never question "people who work in healthcare"

Debunk Dr. Oz promoting the benefits of pomegranate seeds but blindly trust the pharmaceutical industry, brehs
Dr. Oz is obviously a smart guy, but he's CLEARLY dumbed himself down and sold out in order to make more money. He is a snakeoil sales man at this point. And it's up to you whether or not you want to trust established healthcare. Its your body. There's nothing wrong with that at all. I was just attempting to give you some added insight into what happened and how you can maybe start trusting that there are very good doctors etc out there. Questioning is what EVERYONE should do, less mistakes would happen if more ppl cared about their regiments enough to ask and have dialogue with their healthcare providers.
 

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Dr. Oz is obviously a smart guy, but he's CLEARLY dumbed himself down and sold out in order to make more money. He is a snakeoil sales man at this point. And it's up to you whether or not you want to trust established healthcare. Its your body. There's nothing wrong with that at all. I was just attempting to give you some added insight into what happened and how you can maybe start trusting that there are very good doctors etc out there. Questioning is what EVERYONE should do, less mistakes would happen if more ppl cared about their regiments enough to ask and have dialogue with their healthcare providers.

For the record, I used to watch Dr. Oz every day. So I've seen 200+ episodes of his show.

Frankly, I think the language he uses is way over the top. Every episode is about a new miracle diet guaranteed to shed those holiday pounds. It's sensationalized to the point of being obnoxious. He also comes off as a shill. I get that.

But discrediting Dr. Oz does not in any way shape or form discredit herbalism as a whole. And though the presentation may be poor, the core of what he he says about herbs and other forms of alternative medicine (within reason) is in my mind, very much correct.

So yea you can say Dr. Oz promotes raspberry ketones on his show and that's a worthless product. It very well could be. When I took it I didn't lose any weight and it gave me diarrhea. So him and his team were wrong about that one. But he also informs the viewers on turmeric and cinnamon. Those herbs are thousands of years old with a myriad of proven benefits and above all they are SAFE. Which is more than what you can say about a good portion of pharma drugs. And they have nothing to do with the new flavor of the month supplement on sale at Walgreens.

Further more, even if you were to discredit Dr. Oz claims or criticize the way is show is produced, it doesn't automatically mean that western medicine gets it right and alternative medicine gets it wrong. That's the vibe in this thread and thats what I take offense to. People painting Dr. Oz with a broad brush, that he is represents everything there is to know about herbalism, and if/ when he says something thats factually incorrect than by association herbs are dangerous and don't work. But the truth is herbalism has existed for thousands of years without Dr. Oz on daytime television promoting it, and even if Dr. Oz gets called out for a bogus study on green coffee bean extract, herbalism as a whole isn't going anywhere nor should it. It is safer, cheaper and often times more effective than western medicine. People just write it off because they don't understand it.
 

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Whoa, a link with five herbs. mostly outlining interactions with pharmaceutical drugs. That sure put me in my place

But nah homeboy back up your claim that herbs are less safe than pharmacetical drugs...

You can't. You know why?

Most years there are zero deaths cause by herbals. Absolutely none. In a bad year, one or two, maybe five at the most. (These people were usually very ill to begin with but we'll still count them)

Compared to aspirin? Thousands of deaths every year. And pharmaceuticals?? Thousands and thousands more.

And you have the nerve to say they are safer

I'm not gonna argue on the above because there's no way you'll be able to show me that any herbal is a better agent at secondary stroke prevention or secondary heart attack prevention. So it's useless even going there. You have no idea about the concept of risk/benefit ratio. Aspirin saves millions of lives per year and I'll leave it at that.

People don't really have issues prescribing CAM's/ herbals, the only problem is that there's barely any scientific evidence so how can one conscientiously offer a treatment with no known mechanism of action, efficacy, or safety profile?? Also with unknown pharmacodynamics which can be devastating and hard to reverse in the light of pre-existing liver or kidney disease.

You should start reading some peer-reviewed journals sometime. Pubmed is a good database to get you started

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25500423

Many believe that because they are natural, they must be effective and safe, but both beliefs are erroneous. Few herbals have been studied using well designed controlled trials to corroborate beneficial effects in liver disease despite anecdotes and testimonials to the contrary. Also, they are no safer than conventional drugs and have caused liver injury severe enough to require liver transplantation or cause death. Their safety is compromised in part by the fact that they are not FDA regulated, causing uncertainty about their reported and un-reported contents
 
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I'm not gonna argue on the above because there's no way you'll be able to show me that any herbal is a better agent at secondary stroke prevention or secondary heart attack prevention. So it's useless even going there. You have no idea about the concept of risk/benefit ratio. Aspirin saves millions of lives per year and I'll leave it at that.

People don't really have issues prescribing CAM's/ herbals, the only problem is that there's barely any scientific evidence so how can one conscientiously offer a treatment with no known mechanism of action, efficacy, or safety profile?? Also with unknown pharmacodynamics which can be devastating and hard to reverse in the light of pre-existing liver or kidney disease.

You should start reading some peer-reviewed journals sometime. Pubmed is a good database to get you started

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25500423


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The July 1998 issue of The American Journal of Medicine explains it as follows:

"Conservative calculations estimate that approximately 107,000 patients are hospitalized annually for nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID)-related gastrointestinal (GI) complications and at least 16,500 NSAID-related deaths occur each year among arthritis patients alone." (Singh Gurkirpal, MD, “Recent Considerations in Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug Gastropathy”, The American Journal of Medicine, July 27, 1998, p. 31S)
 

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I'm not gonna argue on the above because there's no way you'll be able to show me that any herbal is a better agent at secondary stroke prevention or secondary heart attack prevention. So it's useless even going there. You have no idea about the concept of risk/benefit ratio. Aspirin saves millions of lives per year and I'll leave it at that.

People don't really have issues prescribing CAM's/ herbals, the only problem is that there's barely any scientific evidence so how can one conscientiously offer a treatment with no known mechanism of action, efficacy, or safety profile?? Also with unknown pharmacodynamics which can be devastating and hard to reverse in the light of pre-existing liver or kidney disease.

You should start reading some peer-reviewed journals sometime. Pubmed is a good database to get you started

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25500423

aspirin comes from plants breh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aspirin

The history of aspirin (also known as acetylsalicylic acid or ASA) and the medical use of it and related substances stretches back to antiquity, though pure ASA has only been manufactured and marketed since 1899. Medicines made from willow and other salicylate-rich plants appear in Egyptian pharonic pharmacology papyri [1]from the second millennium BCE. Hippocrates referred to their use of salicylic tea to reduce fevers around 400 BCE[citation needed], and were part of the pharmacopoeia of Western medicine in Classical antiquity and the Middle Ages. Willow bark extract became recognized for its specific effects on fever, pain andinflammation in the mid-eighteenth century. Lewis and Clark allegedly used willow bark tea in 1803-1806 as a remedy for fever for members of the famous expedition. By the nineteenth century pharmacists were experimenting with and prescribing a variety of chemicals related to salicylic acid, the active component of willow extract.

In 1853, chemist Charles Frédéric Gerhardt treated acetyl chloride with sodium salicylate to produce acetylsalicylic acid for the first time;[2] in the second half of the nineteenth century, other academic chemists established the compound's chemical structure and devised more efficient methods of synthesis. In 1897, scientists at the drug and dye firm Bayer began investigating acetylsalicylic acid as a less-irritating replacement for standard common salicylate medicines. By 1899, Bayer had dubbed this drug Aspirin and was selling it around the world. The word Aspirin was Bayer's brand name, rather than the generic name of the drug; however, Bayer's rights to the trademark were lost or sold in many countries.[3] Aspirin's popularity grew over the first half of the twentieth century, spurred by its effectiveness in the wake of Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, and aspirin's profitability led to fierce competition and the proliferation of aspirin brands and products. Some of the 1918 flu deaths were probably due to Aspirin poisoning.[4]
 

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aspirin comes from plants breh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aspirin

The history of aspirin (also known as acetylsalicylic acid or ASA) and the medical use of it and related substances stretches back to antiquity, though pure ASA has only been manufactured and marketed since 1899. Medicines made from willow and other salicylate-rich plants appear in Egyptian pharonic pharmacology papyri [1]from the second millennium BCE. Hippocrates referred to their use of salicylic tea to reduce fevers around 400 BCE[citation needed], and were part of the pharmacopoeia of Western medicine in Classical antiquity and the Middle Ages. Willow bark extract became recognized for its specific effects on fever, pain andinflammation in the mid-eighteenth century. Lewis and Clark allegedly used willow bark tea in 1803-1806 as a remedy for fever for members of the famous expedition. By the nineteenth century pharmacists were experimenting with and prescribing a variety of chemicals related to salicylic acid, the active component of willow extract.

In 1853, chemist Charles Frédéric Gerhardt treated acetyl chloride with sodium salicylate to produce acetylsalicylic acid for the first time;[2] in the second half of the nineteenth century, other academic chemists established the compound's chemical structure and devised more efficient methods of synthesis. In 1897, scientists at the drug and dye firm Bayer began investigating acetylsalicylic acid as a less-irritating replacement for standard common salicylate medicines. By 1899, Bayer had dubbed this drug Aspirin and was selling it around the world. The word Aspirin was Bayer's brand name, rather than the generic name of the drug; however, Bayer's rights to the trademark were lost or sold in many countries.[3] Aspirin's popularity grew over the first half of the twentieth century, spurred by its effectiveness in the wake of Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, and aspirin's profitability led to fierce competition and the proliferation of aspirin brands and products. Some of the 1918 flu deaths were probably due to Aspirin poisoning.[4]

Thanks for the copy/ paste from wikipedia :heh: what are you trying to say :dahell:
 

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Thanks for the copy/ paste from wikipedia :heh: what are you trying to say :dahell:

i want you to think about what you're saying. you're saying there's no scientific evidence that herbs are effective, yet aspirin, and hundreds of other pharmaceuticals, were synthesized from science studying the herb and finding it to be effective.

we've had this debate numerous times and it boils down to this: it's best to have a balance between "western" and "eastern" medicine. "western" medicine is good in emergencies or if surgery is needed. "eastern" medicine is good for long term health and strengthening one's immune system, because a strong immune system is the best healthcare in the world.
 

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This man is about to have confirmation hearings to become the head of Medicaid and Medicare. Wtf bro? :dead:
 
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