Don’t Blink, or You’ll Miss Another Bailout

Type Username Here

Not a new member
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
16,368
Reputation
2,385
Daps
32,641
Reppin
humans
MANY people became rightfully upset about bailouts given to big banks during the mortgage crisis. But it turns out that they are still going on, if more quietly, through the back door.

The existence of one such secret deal, struck in July between the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and Bank of America, came to light just last week in court filings.

That the New York Fed would shower favors on a big financial institution may not surprise. It has long shielded large banks from assertive regulation and increased capital requirements.

Still, last week’s details of the undisclosed settlement between the New York Fed and Bank of America are remarkable. Not only do the filings show the New York Fed helping to thwart another institution’s fraud case against the bank, they also reveal that the New York Fed agreed to give away what may be billions of dollars in potential legal claims.

Here’s the skinny: Late last Wednesday, the New York Fed said in a court filing that in July it had released Bank of America from all legal claims arising from losses in some mortgage-backed securities the Fed received when the government bailed out the American International Group in 2008. One surprise in the filing, which was part of a case brought by A.I.G., was that the New York Fed let Bank of America off the hook even as A.I.G. was seeking to recover $7 billion in losses on those very mortgage securities.

It gets better.

What did the New York Fed get from Bank of America in this settlement? Some $43 million, it seems, from a small dispute the New York Fed had with the bank on two of the mortgage securities. At the same time, and for no compensation, it released Bank of America from all other legal claims.

When I asked the Fed to discuss this gift to the bank, it declined. To understand how the settlement happened, we must go back to the dark days of September 2008. With the giant insurer A.I.G. teetering, the government stepped in. As part of the rescue, A.I.G. sold mortgage securities to an investment vehicle called Maiden Lane II overseen by the New York Fed. A.I.G. was bleeding from its toxic mortgage holdings, many of which were issued by Bank of America, and it received $20.8 billion for securities with a face value of $39.2 billion.

In 2011, aiming to recover some of that $18 billion loss, the insurer sued Bank of America for fraud. The case, filed in New York state court, sought $10 billion in damages from the bank, $7 billion of that related to securities that A.I.G. sold to Maiden Lane II. Bank of America, for its part, argued that A.I.G. had no standing to sue for fraud on the Maiden Lane securities. With the sale, Bank of America contended, the right to bring a legal claim against the bank for fraud passed to Maiden Lane II. That entity, controlled by the New York Fed, never brought fraud claims against the bank.

Not so fast, said A.I.G. Under New York law, which governs Maiden Lane II, an entity has to explicitly transfer the right to sue for fraud, it said. The original agreement between the New York Fed and A.I.G. never specified such a transfer, the insurer contended.

To settle this question, A.I.G. filed a separate lawsuit against Maiden Lane II in a New York court last month.

A.I.G.’s $10 billion fraud case against Bank of America, meanwhile, was moved to federal court. For pretrial purposes, the bank asked that Mariana R. Pfaelzer, a federal judge in the central district of California, oversee aspects of the case involving the bank’s Countrywide unit, which was in California. Its request was granted. On Jan. 30, Judge Pfaelzer said she would rule on the issue of who owns the legal claims.

Initially, in an October 2011 letter to A.I.G., the New York Fed agreed that the insurer had the right to seek damages under securities laws on instruments it sold to Maiden Lane II.

But more recently, the New York Fed began helping Bank of America battle A.I.G. In late December, the New York Fed provided two declarations to the bank. One stated that Maiden Lane II had “intended” to receive all litigation claims relating to the mortgage securities, meaning that it alone would have had the right to sue. Another said that the October letter was not an interpretation of the Maiden Lane agreement.

But Jon Diat, an A.I.G. spokesman, said in a statement that “A.I.G. and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York never discussed or agreed on any transfer of A.I.G.’s residential mortgage-backed securities fraud claims to Maiden Lane II.” He added that A.I.G. believes “it is the rightful owner of these claims and remains committed to holding Bank of America and other counterparties responsible for the harm caused.”

LAST week, the New York Fed opposed A.I.G.’s efforts to have the question of who owns the legal rights decided in New York, whose law governs the Maiden Lane II agreement, rather than in California. It was in this filing that the New York Fed disclosed its confidential July 2012 deal with Bank of America, releasing it of any liability arising from fraud in the Maiden Lane II securities.

Let’s recap: For zero compensation, the New York Fed released Bank of America from what may be sizable legal claims, knowing that A.I.G. was trying to recover on those claims.

To anyone interested in holding banks accountable for mortgage improprieties, the Fed’s actions are bewildering. If the Fed intended that Maiden Lane II own the right to sue Bank of America for fraud, why didn’t it pursue such a potentially rich claim on behalf of taxpayers? The Fed made $2.8 billion on the Maiden Lane II deal, but the recovery from Bank of America could have been much greater. Why did it instead release Bank of America from these liabilities and supply declarations that seem to support the bank in its case against A.I.G.?

The New York Fed would not discuss this matter, citing the litigation. But taxpayers, who might have benefited had the New York Fed brought fraud claims, deserve answers to these questions.

In an interview, Senator Sherrod Brown, Democrat of Ohio, who serves on the Banking Committee, said the New York Fed’s behavior in this case “underscores that the more we learn about these bailouts, gifts and advantages that Wall Street gets, the clearer it becomes that one set of rules applies to the largest megabanks and another set of rules to the smaller financial institutions and the rest of the country.”

A court will decide who actually owns these particular fraud claims against Bank of America. But the issue of Bank of America’s responsibility for paying for the misdeeds of Countrywide during the financial crisis remains much at issue. The New York Fed is among a group of institutions that agreed in 2011 to settle with the bank for pennies on the dollar over mortgage securities its Countrywide unit misrepresented as high quality when they were sold.

That deal, for $8.5 billion, has not been approved by the court. Other mortgage securities investors have objected to it, calling the amount too small.

A New York Fed spokesman said it supported the settlement because it would generate significant value without potentially high litigation costs.

But Walker F. Todd, a former official at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, warned: “As a public entity, the Federal Reserve needs to take its custody of public funds seriously enough to ask for more than merely nominal compensation when it is giving up things of value to a bank holding company. If the central bank starts releasing binding legal claims for nominal compensation, it looks like just one more element of the secret or back-door bailout of the banking system.”

Sure does.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/b...ilout.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&&pagewanted=all
 

Type Username Here

Not a new member
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
16,368
Reputation
2,385
Daps
32,641
Reppin
humans
20 page thread on putting restrictions on poor people receiving welfare and empty thread on another theft in the billions.

Okie doke.
 

Gus Money

Superstar
Supporter
Joined
May 20, 2012
Messages
6,531
Reputation
1,551
Daps
30,508
These banks, man. No shame. I only skimmed the article but I'll check out the whole thing when I get back.

Kind of unrelated but I made a thread about credit unions a few weeks ago and a few people tried to say that the differences between banks and credit unions don't actually matter.

It was in TLR so I should have know better in the first place :heh:
 

OsO

Souldier
Joined
May 6, 2012
Messages
4,998
Reputation
1,076
Daps
11,852
Reppin
Harlem
The existence of one such secret deal, struck in July between the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and Bank of America, came to light just last week in court filings.

That the New York Fed would shower favors on a big financial institution may not surprise. It has long shielded large banks from assertive regulation and increased capital requirements.

Still, last week’s details of the undisclosed settlement between the New York Fed and Bank of America are remarkable. Not only do the filings show the New York Fed helping to thwart another institution’s fraud case against the bank, they also reveal that the New York Fed agreed to give away what may be billions of dollars in potential legal claims.


the federal reserve system is failing at its job, and it has become a servant to the money trust in the financial centers.

we are idiots to let these idiots dictate our monetary policy, because it's basically a pro-banking pro-corporate policy thats driving us to financial ruin.
 

ecnirp1

mr. open source
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
484
Reputation
355
Daps
883
banks on welfare = good business practice
poor people on welfare = welfare queen/lazy, etc

nothing new

this is a horrible analogy. banks actually have to pay bailout money back to the government plus interest, and they're one of the main lifelines of the U.S economy.

can you say the same thing for individuals on welfare?
 

Type Username Here

Not a new member
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
16,368
Reputation
2,385
Daps
32,641
Reppin
humans
this is a horrible analogy. banks actually have to pay bailout money back to the government plus interest, and they're one of the main lifelines of the U.S economy.

can you say the same thing for individuals on welfare?


This motherfukker missed the memo. :russ:
 

ecnirp1

mr. open source
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
484
Reputation
355
Daps
883
This motherfukker missed the memo. :russ:

all the Fed did was tell AIG that they couldn't sue Bank of America for the toxic Countrywide Bank mortgages that BOA purchased in '08 (mortgages that the bank has already lost $40+ billion on).

how much more would you like Bank of America to be penalized for sub-prime mortgages that they didn't originate?

and again, how is this equivalent to welfare? you and the author of this article are reaching.
 

OsO

Souldier
Joined
May 6, 2012
Messages
4,998
Reputation
1,076
Daps
11,852
Reppin
Harlem


1) i think we take things one step at a time.
2) i think its gotta be a multi-pronged approach.

because when we take a step back and look at the entire picture, the federal reserve system is just one system of many that has succumb to corruption and/or mismanagement within our government. right now there are many state-sponsored institutions that are functioning inefficiently and/or immorally to the detriment of a large percentage of the population.

so an entire shift in culture is needed across the board.

so blue sky scenario we're going to need widespread reforms. we're going to need better ways to educate people on whats happening in the financial/banking system because we need an engaged populous. we also need to better educate people on how the government works in general, and not just the national government but the local/city/state governments as well.

we also need to be more clear about what initiatives we want our politicians to execute, and have systems in place to make sure the politicians overseeing and whatever other city agencies are involved are complying with the policy we want then to execute.

then ultimately we need to be able to collect data and measure if our policies are being effective or not. it's a real micromanagement effort from the top down but with a system so broken this is what we have to do, break it down into small steps and track it every step of the way.

the federal reserve system is unique because by design it is less influenced by outside pressure. the fed is traditionally supposed to operate outside political mechanisms, so it can focus on executing policies for the common good and not have to worry about the fickleness of politicians.

so in one sense the fed could potentially be easier to reform than other state agencies. in which case we could start by doing what most businesses do when they are victims of gross negligence and incompetent mismanagement on the part of its employees, YOU FIRE THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE. it would be addition by subtraction just by getting rid of all those bums in the fed.

but again, this is a systematic issue, so we have to look at all the players involved. we cant talk about fixing the fed without talking about fixing congress, fixing the banking system, etc.
 

MeachTheMonster

YourFriendlyHoodMonster
Joined
May 24, 2012
Messages
69,113
Reputation
3,719
Daps
108,907
Reppin
Tha Land
this is a horrible analogy. banks actually have to pay bailout money back to the government plus interest, and they're one of the main lifelines of the U.S economy.

can you say the same thing for individuals on welfare?

The country moves forward when the impoverished become educated and add to the prosperity of the country. Welfare lifts a lot of people from poverty and allows them to become educated workers and consumers.

The everyday working consumer(middle class) is what drives this country. The larger and stronger our "middle class" is the better off our economy is.

Our government's pro-big business, anti-middle class policies are what's driving us to economic ruin. It is a much better investment to spend money educating and uplifting our lower class than it is to keep paying these CEO's millions of dollars.
 

TLR Is Mental Poison

The Coli Is Not For You
Supporter
Joined
May 3, 2012
Messages
46,178
Reputation
7,463
Daps
105,782
Reppin
The Opposite Of Elliott Wilson's Mohawk
The country moves forward when the impoverished become educated and add to the prosperity of the country. Welfare lifts a lot of people from poverty and allows them to become educated workers and consumers.

:dwillhuh: Any proof that welfare lifts people from poverty? I am not one of those anti-welfare freaks but from what I know that is one of welfare's biggest failures

The everyday working consumer(middle class) is what drives this country. The larger and stronger our "middle class" is the better off our economy is.

:dwillhuh: What does welfare have to do with the middle class, people on welfare are poor by definition

Our government's pro-big business, anti-middle class policies are what's driving us to economic ruin. It is a much better investment to spend money educating and uplifting our lower class than it is to keep paying these CEO's millions of dollars.

:dwillhuh:

Pro-big business, anti-middle class? Have you seen effective corporate vs middle class family tax rates lately?

Not trying to swipe at all, I just don't see where you're coming from.
 

MeachTheMonster

YourFriendlyHoodMonster
Joined
May 24, 2012
Messages
69,113
Reputation
3,719
Daps
108,907
Reppin
Tha Land
:dwillhuh: Any proof that welfare lifts people from poverty? I am not one of those anti-welfare freaks but from what I know that is one of welfare's biggest failures

Food stamp program helping reduce poverty.

The Effect of Specific Welfare Policies on Poverty
Overall, we find evidence that more lenient eligibility requirements for welfare receipt and more generous financial incentives to work generally reduce deep poverty, as hypothesized. We also find evidence that eligibility requirements for welfare receipt and financial incentives to work affect poverty. Time limits are hypothesized to have ambiguous effects on poverty and our results suggest that some stricter time limit policies may lead to lower rates of deep poverty and poverty. Our findings are generally consistent with our hypotheses and are also consistent across our population of ever-single mothers and children of ever-single mothers.


UF Researcher’s Experience With Poverty Provides Insight Into Welfare | University of Florida News
“I had tons of resources to help me get started and stay in college,” Amey said. “Those resources just aren’t available to women today.”


:dwillhuh: What does welfare have to do with the middle class, people on welfare are poor by definition
Welfare pulls people from poverty and allows them to add to the American workforce and economy. Welfare is in effect an investment in our future, much more so than big business bailouts and lower tax rates for the rich.

:dwillhuh:

Pro-big business, anti-middle class? Have you seen effective corporate vs middle class family tax rates lately?
Report: 25 Percent Of Millionaires Pay Lower Taxes Than 10.4 Million Middle-Class Americans | ThinkProgress

Americans' 90% tax rate - CNN.com


http://www.itepnet.org/whopays3release.pdf


The Quick and the Ed » Effective Tax Rates of the Richest 400 Americans
income_taxes_on_the_richest_400_american_tax_filers.png

Tax rates on the rich in constant decline.


Not trying to swipe at all, I just don't see where you're coming from.

That is the point of welfare. Everyone in this country who is not poor can attribute it to someone in their past using some form of "welfare" to pull themselves from poverty. We think of "welfare" as food stamps today. But welfare encompasses everything from farmers getting grants and loans. To public schooling. To housing programs, training programs. Business loans and goverment contracts. The list goes on. Even food stamps allow people to concentrate on bettering their lives and careers. Instead of taking shytty jobs just to feed themselves, they can go to school or get some type of training in order to remove themselves from poverty altogether. Obviously it doesn't work that way for all people, but it does work for a lot of people, which is eveident by the amount of people who DO make it out of poverty. It's all an investment in our lower class and that investment has always pulled people from poverty and into the middle class which in turn made our economy one of the largest and strongest ever. As we move away from that investment in the lower class our economy has become stagnant and has been weakened
 
Top