Dominican Republic: if you black, get out.

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Dominican here.

The way a lot of Dominicans in the country treat Haitians is despicable.
The few Haitians that I've known (including a neighbor who lived near my uncle) were some of the hardest-working, nicest people I have ever met.

Some cities in the DR, like Dajabon, rely heavily on Haitian workers and trade.

But there's no denying that the island has a brutal history. And wounds run deep in some places there.
Also, Trujillo was an a-hole. Even Dominicans will tell you that.
 

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No here is reality.... Haiti, at their population rate will overtake Cuba in 3 or 4 years as the most populous country in the Caribbean .... you might can't address hatred/bigotry in people's heart, but some good infrastructure could alleviate or mitigate Haiti from getting into any more economic desperation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Caribbean_island_countries_by_population
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Cuba 11,163,000
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Haiti 10,671,000
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Dominican Republic 9,745,000
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Puerto Rico (US)[5] 3,641,000
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Jamaica 2,715,000
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Trinidad and Tobago 1,344,000

those are interesting stats, i didnt realize haiti was that big population wise

i dont really agree that one railroad project is the key, but overall despite my distaste for dominican republic they arent the real problem, the real problem is in haiti, haiti doesnt need "support" haiti needs investments
 

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Haiti has been hamstrung by the US govt though.
Chomsky addresses a few douchebag US moves in his "Hopes and Prospects" book.
They way they treated Jean Bertrand Aristide.
 

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those are interesting stats, i didnt realize haiti was that big population wise

i dont really agree that one railroad project is the key, but overall despite my distaste for dominican republic they arent the real problem, the real problem is in haiti, haiti doesnt need "support" haiti needs investments


Support=/ Investment

:heh:
 

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Haiti has been hamstrung by the US govt though.
Chomsky addresses a few douchebag US moves in his "Hopes and Prospects" book.
They way they treated Jean Bertrand Aristide.

haiti has been hamstrung by haiti, i think blaming other people will lead nowhere
 

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haiti has been hamstrung by haiti, i think blaming other people will lead nowhere
I refuse to ignore history.
People and countries do things to one another. And those things matter.
Do I think Haitians should sit around wailing "woe is me" ?? Not at all.

But I'm not going to pretend like US policy hasn't stood in the way of progress in the region.
 

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oh shiit @ this rebuttal to the Dominican Republic's recent law on people of Haitian ancestry born in the the DR ............................................................ :ohhh: ..... :whoo: .

Thoughts :popcorn:

Note: I had to translate into English, so some sentences might come off weird via translation software


Martelly seeks to unify the island
Por Melvin Matthews By Melvin Matthews
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27 octubre, 2013 2:00 am October 27, 2013 2:00 a.m.
Internet circulates through the excerpts from an interview That Nuria Piera him the President of Haiti , Michel Martelly , in Which He confesses favorably to plan to unify the two states That share the island of Hispaniola : Haiti and the Dominican Republic .The Haitian president not only supports the merger plan sponsored by influential international presumably organizaciones , but expresaron Exclusively Justified by arguments from the perspective of the hemisphere s most impoverished nation .
The merger , que would Represent significant benefits for Haiti , is the platform for development .Dominican side there is a conspicuous development in all spheres . Martelly said I Dreams That Could Their children and grandchildren move freely from side to side of the island territory , and assured Haitians That Nuria support the plan , Acknowledged That Dominicans do not support it , but trust in the future That his English speaking neighbor conveniences include the merger .So I think wise That the Constitutional Court ruling denied Dominican nationality to children of Haitians born in the Dominican Republic illegally . Certainly , there is a human drama in every undocumented , but Their arrangement must conform to the Constitution and Dominican sovereignty . THEREFORE , correct decisions are ADOPTED on Wednesday by the National Immigration Council , que led the President Danilo Medina , as Measured through the Central Electoral Board, the impact of the judgment against foreigners , develop developing the plan Regularization of Foreigners and the formation of the National Migration Institute.It's time to apply the law properly migration , and raise awareness of the merger plan of the island is not a chimera . Martelly just confirmed
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oh shiit @ this rebuttal to the Dominican Republic's recent law on people of Haitian ancestry born in the the DR ............................................................ :ohhh: ..... :whoo: .

Thoughts :popcorn:

Note: I had to translate into English, so some sentences might come off weird via translation software



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I don't think the countries would ever merge. This is probably just propaganda and sensationalism.
 

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oh shiit @ this rebuttal to the Dominican Republic's recent law on people of Haitian ancestry born in the the DR ............................................................ :ohhh: ..... :whoo: .

Thoughts :popcorn:

Note: I had to translate into English, so some sentences might come off weird via translation software



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What exactly would it solve if the countries united

What Haiti should do first is to offer legal residence and citizenship to all those being denied legal status in DR

But overall the problems Haiti is facing would not be solved by uniting with dr and black people should be wary of diluting the first black independent country with a bunch of wanna be spanairds
 

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Dominicans Expel 244 Haitians Over Border Killings
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — The Dominican Republic expelled at least 244 Haitians after an elderly Dominican couple was slain in an apparent burglary near the border between the two countries and a mob retaliated by killing a Haitian man, two migrant advocates said Sunday.

The Rev. Antoine Lissaint of Haiti's Jesuit Refugee and Migrant Organization told The Associated Press that a group of Dominicans killed the man because they blamed people of Haitian descent for the fatal stabbing of the couple.

Dominican police issued a statement saying Jose Mendez Diaz and Luja Encarnacion Diaz, both 70, were killed during an apparent home burglary in which the killers got away with two sacks of coffee. Detectives found a knife and stick at the scene.

There was no comment from the Dominican government.

A group of Haitians who had been living in the southwestern Dominican town of Neiba the past several years sought refuge at a police station because they feared further reprisals, Lissaint said. Police handed the group over to soldiers who drove them to the border and expelled them to Haiti on Saturday.

Migrant advocates said some of the people sent out of the Dominican Republic were eager to leave because they feared there would be more mob violence.

Haiti and the Dominican Republic have a long history of acrimony as neighbors on the Caribbean island of Hispaniola. But relations between the two have worsened since a Dominican court decision in September threatened to revoke citizenship for residents of the Dominican Republic of Haitian descent.

Jean-Baptiste Azolin, deputy coordinator for the Support Group for Repatriates and Refugees, said not all the people who were repatriated were picked up at the police station.

"Some of them were caught in the streets, with their children, and were sent to Haiti — like that, without anything," Azolin said.

Workers for the Haitian government's National Office of Migration greeted the expelled Haitians and others of Haitian descent, many of them mothers with their children, including a 3-day-old boy. They were taken to a shelter north of the capital, Port-au-Prince, where they received food. They were also each given the equivalent of $22 to help them return to their former Haitian towns.

"Some people (here) have their children in the Dominican Republic, and they don't know where they are," Fritz Jimani, one of the deported people, said in Spanish.

Azolin, who was at the shelter, said the actual number of people who were deported, and were eager to leave the Dominican Republic because of fears of mob violence, could be more than the 244 initially reported. He said 252 people had showed up at the shelter claiming to be among those expelled and there was a report that a Dominican bus carrying 75 more deportees was en route to the border.

The Haitian government objected to the deportation. Salim Succar, an adviser to Prime Minister Laurent Lamothe, said in an email: "We have taken certain measures to welcome these people ?and disapprove of the way this repatriation was done."

Human rights advocates say the Dominican citizenship ruling could disenfranchise more than 200,000 people, many of whom have lived there for years or decades, stripping them of the documents they need to work and attend school and denying them passports needed to travel overseas.

The Dominican government announced Friday that it has developed a plan to resolve the legal status of people who could lose their citizenship because of the ruling. Details are to be released once a decree is signed and takes effect in the coming days.
 
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