Does homosexuality lead to the extinction of human beings?

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Once again, it's about the structure of the argument. The point is that many things which are "good" or neutral in one context would be "bad" if everyone did them. We don't have to even restrict it to reproduction. Fundamentally, that is a bad way to argue, since it doesn't tell us anything about the inherent qualities of anything.

As for "success," that's a very loaded term, and certainly not a scientific one. The idea that the "purpose" of life is to reproduce is not a scientific one when you make it a moral imperative. What scientists mean when they say that (and frankly, it's misleading language, so it's partially their fault) is that it's a strong general tendency that exists within living beings. It's an empirical descriptor of something that happens, not a moral guideline or the basis for morality- something that should happen. So in short, the idea that we should base morals on what hinders the human race can only be subjective, and thus requires consensus, not an objective basis, and furthermore is dangerous insofar as it ends up in potential tyranny.

That's exactly what I'm saying. And I consider those things wrong. In nature you don't find many insantces of such self destructive behavior. It is uniquely human to use energy and resources on things that hurt our species. Most of the morals we adhere to today come from the ideals of self preservation and the furthered success and improvement of our species.
 

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when everyone gets turned into an immortal cyborg we won't need to make any more humans anyways
 

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That's exactly what I'm saying. And I consider those things wrong. In nature you don't find many insantces of such self destructive behavior. It is uniquely human to use energy and resources on things that hurt our species. Most of the morals we adhere to today come from the ideals of self preservation and the furthered success and improvement of our species.

You can consider those things wrong, which is your opinion, but you can't argue that they are inherently wrong. That is simpy untrue. Something can't be neutral or good in one context, bad in another, and then still be inherently bad. If context changes the effect of x, then x can't be inherently anything context-dependent.

As for self-destructive behavior, nature is full of it. Depression, reckless decisions, etc, can be found all over the animal kingdom. Nature just isn't perfect.

As for morals improving our species, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I don't think it's a good argument that the vast majority of moral systems were positive (or negative.) Once again, that is a very context-dependent problem.
 

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You can consider those things wrong, which is your opinion, but you can't argue that they are inherently wrong. That is simpy untrue. Something can't be neutral or good in one context, bad in another, and then still be inherently bad. If context changes the effect of x, then x can't be inherently anything context-dependent.

As for self-destructive behavior, nature is full of it. Depression, reckless decisions, etc, can be found all over the animal kingdom. Nature just isn't perfect.

As for morals improving our species, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I don't think it's a good argument that the vast majority of moral systems were positive (or negative.) Once again, that is a very context-dependent problem.

I don't feel those things are right in any context. They are acceptable on a small scale because their effects are minimal, but they are still wrong.

Name some instances of self destructive behavior in the wild. I'm not talking about one time anomalies or mistakes. But name an animal who's culture is self destructive. Name an animal who uses energy and resources on things that are counterproductive to the well being of the species.

Name a moral that would/could lead to the destruction of our species.
 

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Does homosexuality lead to the extinction of human beings?

Theoretically. Yes.

But it's impossible for everyone on the planet to be homosexual. Humanity is just too diverse. We have a plethora of different philosophies, opinions, lifestyles, etc.
 
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