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Does god give us free will? or is our fate pre-determined?
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You're slightly off here. Its not with enough faith it will do so. Its with enough faith and in accordance to God's plan. Hence the "God will's be done."
this doesn't fit the crucifixion of Christ
or are you arguing that he only intervenes when necessary (this is a trap)
Please explain
You have free will but to the Almighty its probably so predictable that your fate is already determined, in his eyes. Its like how you tell a child *hey its your life but you better stop running up and down the stairs* You can probably time your watch to the year he falls down them steps.
God has to be the GOAT Mathematician
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How can free will exist when there is fate?
how can u choose freely when ur destined to fail or suceed?
And how can u be held accountable for your actions if you arent fully in control of your life?
Our lives are governed and manipulated by the powers that be...
So what role does that play with the whole free will debate?
For example, an innocent, hard working honest man gets pulled over during an unlawful traffic stop, Cops decide to beat him, and free case him sayin he had dope and a serial scratched firearm. Dude gets sent to prison for a crime he didnt commit...
Where does the free will/fate logic apply in a situation like that? If God knew he would be framed and sent to jail why wouldnt he intervene?
Yea. To human beings the patterns of ants are predictable and can be broken down into math. We cant imagine a force that sees us the same way.
You are asking a lot of questions. Human beings live out their lives the way we choose to. We create our world. Our lives boil down to choices that lead us to a predictable end. If this happens then this and if this then this. Statisically there are probabilities for how your life will turn out and anomolies that can steer you in a different path with a still predictable end but that end is still based on choices you made that in the eyes of the creator of all things, arent surprising.
For all you know 10 years ago that innocent hard working man fukked his best friends wife which tore his best friends family to pieces and turned his daughter a pole dancer. You never know what choices people make lead them to certain fates. No one is innocent.
SwagmundFreud
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how can we assume what god gave us if we don't even know if he/she/it exist? 
Brown_Pride
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Correct. You can't just have faith and wish for the world it has to be his will as well.
how doesn't it fit and i'm not really arguing anything i believe he intervenes when it fits his will. I believe we have free will, I believe GOd is capable of knowing what we'll do AND still being able to be shocked...I know that doesn't make sense but what about omniscience makes sense? THe point was more to highlight that just because what looks and seams logical in terms of yes/no or black and white might not appear that way to God.
For example people often ask, "can god create a rock so large he can't lift it."
My answer would be yes, but he can still lift it.
Now this is a seaming contradiction, but IF you believe God is capable of ANYTHING (as i do) then though I don't know HOW i know it is possible through and in him.
Taking that same concept and applying it to faith and predetermination I can see how God both knows our destiny and yet allows us to take whichever path we wish (i.e. we have free will AND god knows all ends.)
simple. If you don't believe in god then my argument is not geared towards you. It is predicated on the belief in an all powerful god without that initial belief then my argument null and void. (at least in terms of explaining it to someone who doesn't believe in God.)
According to this guy, free will is an illusion.
It's a nice, short read. He says that we are not the authors of our own thoughts. Our thoughts occur before we are even aware of them.
It explains that our thoughts are the result of physical and chemical reactions and life experience.
That would open up a whole new can of worms when you consider accountability.
It's a nice, short read. He says that we are not the authors of our own thoughts. Our thoughts occur before we are even aware of them.
It explains that our thoughts are the result of physical and chemical reactions and life experience.
That would open up a whole new can of worms when you consider accountability.
Brown_Pride
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And that's the thing is we're trying to box up GOD.
I mean really think about that for a second If you believe in God and all his power and such then how oh how can you even begin to try to understand his understanding much less how he sees things.
That's like an ant trying to comprehend a human mind. How much more ridiculous is it then for a human to understand the mind of God? It's almost laughable when you place it in perspective.
RadaMillz
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Yes god gave us free-will, that doesn't mean he doesn't know what ur fate will be in the end.
Think of it as a movie u have seen, u know what happens in the beginning, middle and end of that movie but someone that never saw it has no clue what to expect.
God is the one that saw the whole movie.
we, the creation are the ones who have no clue what to expect.
Think of it as a movie u have seen, u know what happens in the beginning, middle and end of that movie but someone that never saw it has no clue what to expect.
God is the one that saw the whole movie.
we, the creation are the ones who have no clue what to expect.
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this is like asking does santa want milk or cookies shyt that dont exist
You can't I'm
at all the possible theories out there, from the Big Bang to the Big Boom.....
It's hard for us to comprehend something that always lived or been around. Because something would have to ignite the initial chain reaction.
Long after we're dead, the Universe will still be expanding in it's premature stages
The crazy thing is how science is trying replicate this life...
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