Does anybody really know why Master p and Baby didn't like each other?
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BO BARON
IT AIN'T $HIT!!!!
P bit all them rappers & nobody did a damn thing about it
Both of y'all made COMPLETELY valid points from quantitative perspective, they were good capitalists, but for a qualitative analysis in terms of the music there's no debate they lowered the bar, and to a degree led us to where we are now. It is what it is
Marlo Barksdale
Really out chea
That post was basically all wrong. NL got beats and the Pen & Pixel covers we know them for from Suave & Cash Money. They used alot of the local slang and themes after CMR.
Here's a whole thread where somebody said CMR bit NL and it was refuted with evidence.
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/cash-money-biting-no-limit.615147/#post-28638731
P's skill has always been to take something somebody else has done and do his own version of it before people nationwide notice the original.
P has a lot of cousins and some of them were heavy involved in the streets, Baby has a lot of cousins/friends as well. Baby moved weight, NO is a small city.
Few of their patnas/friends crossed paths. Street stuff before the music stuff
Dzali OG
Dz Ali OG...Pay me like you owe me!
NL had the city on lock. CMR at first were rejected by their city. No big thing tho...often as a artist you have to blow up outside your home town forst.
And yeah P is a major biter lol.
And yeah P is a major biter lol.
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
How NL gonna have the city on lock when they werent even in the city
When was CMR rejected by the city? UNLV, Pimp Daddy, Lil Slim had the city on smash when P was trying to sound like The Luniz
CMR was the number 1 rap label in NO followed by Big Boy
Dzali OG
Dz Ali OG...Pay me like you owe me!
How NL gonna have the city on lock when they werent even in the city
When was CMR rejected by the city? UNLV, Pimp Daddy, Lil Slim had the city on smash when P was trying to sound like The Luniz
CMR was the number 1 rap label in NO followed by Big Boy
Are you saying cmr were poppin before NL???
At any rate, I can be wrong. I'm going off what my NO people tell me.
Both of y'all made COMPLETELY valid points from quantitative perspective, they were good capitalists, but for a qualitative analysis in terms of the music there's no debate they lowered the bar, and to a degree led us to where we are now. It is what it is
Both Cash Money and No Limit had more good artist than bad. Their rosters were solid. Especially Cash Money.
KLC/ Beats by the pound were above average producers
You saying Mannie is a low tier producer?
No not at all your spot on, and Mannie is underrated and much more versatile than he's given credit for. But that 25 albums in a year tactic is EXACTLY the forerunner to the put a song every month stuff we have now and THAT lowered the bar, and their good artists were arguably great/elite, but they bad was Gabbage, they took that middle ground, and kinda invented over saturation in the rap game. I'm not one of those the South killed hip-hop off the merit of they music types, more making music into a business, bc then CACs went
we'll do that but we'll remove the good artists from the equation, add in using popularity via social media/the internet you get present day Atlantic Records.It is what it is
, I can still find good piff but I just gotta dig deeper
28 Gramz
How U Luv That???
400 Degreez ran 98-99 along with X and Jay albums. You must be from NY saying some stupid shyt like this. Listing Snoop and Ball & G is laughable especially for that time period.
vdfebduderocks
All Star
No Limit & Cash Money had a similar business model leading up and through 1998. It was always about using one album to promote another album to then promote another album to promote another album. They knew how to flood the market and manipulate the numbers of the sales as they focused a lot of their energy on the mom and pop record stores. It was never about quality for either of them. The covers would promote the albums and then those albums would promote the movies and the movies would promote the music and it's a never ending cycle. The other key was that they exploited both Priority & Universal by getting a ton of money while paying their engineers, in-house producers, and others next to no money. A glorified family business.
Where Cash Money exceeded No Limit was that Mannie Fresh made better beats and thus better albums. They also got a better deal with Universal than P got with Priority.
Ultimately, what killed P is what almost hurt Cash Money: they had a big disagreement with KLC due to money. As a result, those budgets ballooned, albums fell apart, artists left, and the rest is history. Mannie only stuck around like 5 years after that, but fortunately for Birdman and Slim, Wayne basically took over and saved the label.....
I mention 1998 also as that was the last year before Napster became a thing and also changed the business. The New Orleans strategy couldn't survive once the Internet kickstarted.
Where Cash Money exceeded No Limit was that Mannie Fresh made better beats and thus better albums. They also got a better deal with Universal than P got with Priority.
Ultimately, what killed P is what almost hurt Cash Money: they had a big disagreement with KLC due to money. As a result, those budgets ballooned, albums fell apart, artists left, and the rest is history. Mannie only stuck around like 5 years after that, but fortunately for Birdman and Slim, Wayne basically took over and saved the label.....
I mention 1998 also as that was the last year before Napster became a thing and also changed the business. The New Orleans strategy couldn't survive once the Internet kickstarted.