Do you think the next wave of politicians will be better?

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LOL. You have faith breh. I was born in 1991. All these turds born after 1985 are worthless. I was just talking to my old history teacher and he said we where the worst high school graduating class since my old high school opened.


Everyone wants to be rich quick and care more about Snooki, KK and not global issues.
 

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Beyond everything said in this thread, you have to understand something about information on the internet: Just because you have all of it at your hands doesn't mean that you will seek it out, read/listen to it, and digest it. Most of the time, people like to do the same thing that they do in the corporeal world anyway: Find masses of information that support their polemics and completely shut themselves off from oppositional discourses.

The internet is such an object that it becomes far easier to do things like this. So I actually predict an increase in easily manipulated fundamentalist-style politicians that corporations, traders and others who direct liquid capital flows will puppeteer to their whims.

This is the kind of answer I was looking for. You are right in how people can now basically find any article to support their arguments. You also have to worry about the people that watch one or two videos on YouTube and now they know what's up.

Look at the internet and how much bullshyt gets leaked and how hard it is to really keep a secret. The internet in this form won't last though. Like you guys say it's the wild west out here :win:.

I look at the dudes my age and I'm like how are these guys going to have my brain on lock. :wtf:
 

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LOL. You have faith breh. I was born in 1991. All these turds born after 1985 are worthless. I was just talking to my old history teacher and he said we where the worst high school graduating class since my old high school opened.


Everyone wants to be rich quick and care more about Snooki, KK and not global issues.

This an you can also look at the flower children/hippies from the 60s who were protesting for this and that, became part of the machine and threw all that stuff they were against and politicians they were against to the side and became worse. Now they just blame it on being young and uninformed
 

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http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/12/jonah-goldberg-young-people-are-so-frickin-stupid-video/

“It is a simple fact of science that nothing correlates more with ignorance and stupidity more than youth,” the National Review Online editor said in an interview. “We’re all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young.”

So why all the focus on the youth vote and “millennials” in politics? Goldberg says young people having so much influence in a society is unhealthy.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/12/j...le-are-so-frickin-stupid-video/#ixzz1unEiUPvc

Jonah Goldberg getting in that ass.
 

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Jonah Goldberg is a moron.

This isn't even coincidental evidence, but no evidence at all for an attitude that is outright self-fulfilling. If you don't allow the youth to get involved with politics and learn the ways of the sphere, then they stay ignorant and allow their lives to be directed by incomparably cruel and thoughtless baby boomers and political elites. Good for those very few in that class, horrible for the rest of us,including those that would be ecstatic in giving up that control over their own lives.

Actually, this is the exact type of discourse that I was talking about in that last post. Thanks for that.
 

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Jonah Goldberg is a moron.

This isn't even coincidental evidence, but no evidence at all for an attitude that is outright self-fulfilling. If you don't allow the youth to get involved with politics and learn the ways of the sphere, then they stay ignorant and allow their lives to be directed by incomparably cruel and thoughtless baby boomers and political elites. Good for those very few in that class, horrible for the rest of us,including those that would be ecstatic in giving up that control over their own lives.

Actually, this is the exact type of discourse that I was talking about in that last post. Thanks for that.

Very true and I am shocked no one has brought this up, we are complaining about the kids but the Baby boomers where all hippies and then by 2000 they were all conservative and and not willing to share anything. The baby boomers are the most selfish and corrupted generation. I'm glad they're parents, those in world war II are long gone because they would be shocked to see this country now.
 

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Beyond everything said in this thread, you have to understand something about information on the internet: Just because you have all of it at your hands doesn't mean that you will seek it out, read/listen to it, and digest it. Most of the time, people like to do the same thing that they do in the corporeal world anyway: Find masses of information that support their polemics and completely shut themselves off from oppositional discourses.

The internet is such an object that it becomes far easier to do things like this. So I actually predict an increase in easily manipulated fundamentalist-style politicians, corporations, traders and others who direct liquid capital flows will puppeteer to their whims.

i agree with your argument but i have a question about your conclusion

re: So I actually predict an increase in easily manipulated fundamentalist-style politicians that corporations, traders and others who direct liquid capital flows will puppeteer to their whims.

what whims are those? this new generation is broke and disenchanted to the point of nihilism. we are family-less, money-less, and generally, hopeless. so my question to you, as i think you correctly assess this situation as well, is what whims do they (fundamentalist-style politicians that corporations, traders and others who direct liquid capital flows) actually have that can connect to the whims of these newer, disenchanted generations?

can you actually sell pro america, pro free markets, pro war type dogma effectivelyy to them, after having disenchanted them from all these things?
 

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LOL. You have faith breh. I was born in 1991. All these turds born after 1985 are worthless. I was just talking to my old history teacher and he said we where the worst high school graduating class since my old high school opened.


Everyone wants to be rich quick and care more about Snooki, KK and not global issues.

Man it gets worse...

I don't think these :old: cats on sohh, have any idea how much the new generation(90s) is out of the loop.....

Hopefully I can bring some order :smugfavre::shaq::birdman::takedat::yeshrug:

:smh: @ the wire showing how to get things done in America, from running a businesses to bribing politicians.
The game is rigged y0....
 

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Man it gets worse...

I don't think these :old: cats on sohh, have any idea how much the new generation(90s) is out of the loop.....

Hopefully I can bring some order :smugfavre::shaq::birdman::takedat::yeshrug:

:smh: @ the wire showing how to get things done in America, from running a businesses to bribing politicians.
The game is rigged y0....

Pos rep. We got people who still think bush is the president.
 

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i agree with your argument but i have a question about your conclusion

re: So I actually predict an increase in easily manipulated fundamentalist-style politicians that corporations, traders and others who direct liquid capital flows will puppeteer to their whims.

what whims are those? this new generation is broke and disenchanted to the point of nihilism. we are family-less, money-less, and generally, hopeless. so my question to you, as i think you correctly assess this situation as well, is what whims do they (fundamentalist-style politicians that corporations, traders and others who direct liquid capital flows) actually have that can connect to the whims of these newer, disenchanted generations?

can you actually sell pro america, pro free markets, pro war type dogma effectivelyy to them, after having disenchanted them from all these things?

You assume that the pro America, pro capitalist ideology isn't pre-sold, so to speak. Even to the "disenchanted," there is nothing to sell, so to speak, for its already within the narrative of America that we all learn. Those that actively embrace it will fall right in line with those who already are hand in hand with these interests, and the "disenchanted" will simply fall in line and allow themselves to be influenced in a way similar to the Nietzschean Last Man: Because their lives and minds are relatively comfortable with the narrative and forms of discourse that exist already, despite their "disenchantment," there is really no reason to become active, because its already comfortable for them.

In this formulation, the reason that I put "disenchantment" in quotations is because I really don't think its quite the passive state that I think you make it out to be. It's an active state of disbelief in the actively stated tenants of the sphere of reference in which you exist. It does NOT mean that you do not disavow yourself from the bounds within which that discourse exists. That's a much more passive belief, rooted in the most deeply held values and axioms, so much so that we don't even really think about it (think about the ways in which we use language. Something as basic as that can be an example of these passive bounds. "Order is better than anarchy" or "Anarchy is chaos, and chaos is horrible" is a slightly more concrete example of this).

So to answer the question succinctly, can you sell all of that to them? What is there to sell? They already believe in all of it. And even in the polarized discourses that exist today, there is a deeply held belief in the liberatory nature of the most base elements of the capitalist system and the reliance of capitalist and specifically liberal and neoliberal capitalist economic models to prove their points "scientifically" (and boy, can I go on tangents about the bogus "scientificity" of those economic models. Though it might be more accurate to call it "imaginary made hyperreal").

There's no reason to sell anybody something that they believe is inherently the general equivalent holding discourse together.
 

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what do you have to say to the occupy movement and the canadian student spring and the greek and spanish movements that are overwhelmingly against austerity? how exactly are you supposed to suggest any austerity even jokingly to a society that is dead broke? can you do it w/o violating democracy itself?

marx predicts that its in the capitalist push to exploit society more and more that ultimately kick starts an new invigoration in society to take more control over it

what do you have to say about that
 

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the only way politics will truly change is if there is a 3rd party President.As long as there are Democrats and Republicans being elected,things wont change.Im not sayin 3rd party is the best and perfect way.However You never know unless you try :manny:
 

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the only way politics will truly change is if there is a 3rd party President.As long as there are Democrats and Republicans being elected,things wont change.Im not sayin 3rd party is the best and perfect way.However You never know unless you try :manny:

:childplease: I know a more effective, but I can't say :whistle: The NSA would be knocking my door in 2 seconds like :sitdown:

French Revolution :whistle:
 
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