Do you guys finally accept that Roman is considerably better than Seth and Dean?
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Been like that for years. Ambrose has always sucked. I remember laughing when people were saying he would be the breakout star. Dude was always a low budget pillman with absolute shyt moveset. And he's been phoning it in ever since Brock. Seth has just falling off a cliff since coming back. For one he's an awful babyface. Two his matches are just flowchart and boring. Move, move, move, big dive, sell, sell, comeback while ignoring body part that was worked over for 10 straight minutes, rinse, wash, repeat. Meanwhile Roman can have a match with anyone and have a solid 3-4 star match. It's amazing how much he's improved
Box Cutta
Bumbling Sidekick
Seth just...I dunno. I feel like he's a great worker but in this age where WWE has a ton of great workers it's becoming more about having an easily recognizable style than it is an "efficient" one. And of course, great work rarely draws alone anyways (Has it ever in the Fed?) He's clearly got one of the best MOTORS in the Fed, but I can't really recall much PERSONALITY in his moveset, and that doesn't seem to cut it anymore. Does he have a Phenomenal Forearm type of instant pop move? Nakamura is an extreme but look at him with his knees; his entire moveset is a meme. Roman and Dean have their own shyt, Roman's stuff goes without saying, but even Dean has his wack ass bounce-clothesline thing and wack one-handed punches. Dean's wrestling kinda sucks, but y'all KNOW which moves I'm talking about. His lack of athleticism kind of makes him stick out and unique, and it's consistent with his characterization (Which I think needs to change, but more on that later).
Taking away the curb stomp really hurt Seth. That was signature, deadly, and anticipated EVERY match. The Phoenix Splash is considerably less engaging than the Curb Stomp. The only thing I can say is that, if they ever need an instant-giant pop type of moment for him, they have one in the pocket. People would love to see him hit that on someone disliked.
And many are still probably dealing with PTSD from his horrible 25 minute intro promo era. Dear lord did The Authority association hurt him. Add in time for injury time off, and a horrible Triple H feud...it's no wonder people are down on him.
In regards to Dean...I know it's the reality era/kayfabe is dead/business exposed/etc etc etc...but I still believe that certain characters in certain situations need to try and keep cognitive dissonance to a minimum. I think they nee do drop "lunatic fringe" completely. Dude is married to a hot blonde and on TD....
These critiques don't speak much to his performance as much as they speak to his "aura" and why some may be down on him. The Dean Ambrose brand is mad splinted right now.
I still like his overall cadence on the mic, but that's about it.
Say what you want about Roman's booking, but there's not much dissonance with his character on Raw (Except for when they try to make it seem like he's an "underdog"....
). It seems like his profile is relatively low, and his character is easy to understand (Bad ass Ace) so it's easier to buy into him. His gimmick might be simple, but it's effective.
TLDR : Roman shows more personality in the ring than Seth and his character is more believable than Dean's.
Taking away the curb stomp really hurt Seth. That was signature, deadly, and anticipated EVERY match. The Phoenix Splash is considerably less engaging than the Curb Stomp. The only thing I can say is that, if they ever need an instant-giant pop type of moment for him, they have one in the pocket. People would love to see him hit that on someone disliked.
And many are still probably dealing with PTSD from his horrible 25 minute intro promo era. Dear lord did The Authority association hurt him. Add in time for injury time off, and a horrible Triple H feud...it's no wonder people are down on him.
In regards to Dean...I know it's the reality era/kayfabe is dead/business exposed/etc etc etc...but I still believe that certain characters in certain situations need to try and keep cognitive dissonance to a minimum. I think they nee do drop "lunatic fringe" completely. Dude is married to a hot blonde and on TD....
These critiques don't speak much to his performance as much as they speak to his "aura" and why some may be down on him. The Dean Ambrose brand is mad splinted right now.
I still like his overall cadence on the mic, but that's about it.
Say what you want about Roman's booking, but there's not much dissonance with his character on Raw (Except for when they try to make it seem like he's an "underdog"....
). It seems like his profile is relatively low, and his character is easy to understand (Bad ass Ace) so it's easier to buy into him. His gimmick might be simple, but it's effective.TLDR : Roman shows more personality in the ring than Seth and his character is more believable than Dean's.
VegetasHairline
Veteran
Seth used to sell like crazy when he wrestled with The Shield. I don't understand what happened.
Sonny Creems
Superstar
For one he's heavier than he was then so he sells accordingly. But second and most importantly, Hunter probly told him to ease up on that shyt. I don't remember who said it but they basically said that's part of the reason Ziggler was where he was. He was good at making ppl look good with his selling, so that became his role.
The evolution of these guys has been pretty interesting.
When they were first called up, Ambrose was clearly the best of the 3. However, midway to the end of the Shield run, Rollins became the best of the 3. After Rollins first knee injury, Roman finally emerged as the BIG DAWG of the group
When they were first called up, Ambrose was clearly the best of the 3. However, midway to the end of the Shield run, Rollins became the best of the 3. After Rollins first knee injury, Roman finally emerged as the BIG DAWG of the group
Playaz Eyez
Veteran
Ambrose is still too damn wacky and goofy. And his moveset is 
he can cut promos, but I never want to see his matches.
Rollins is a decent heel, and underwhelming face. The WWE's mistake with him is after building his come back with workout vids that built sympathy with the fans, they fukking had him shyt on the fans and stay heel, THEN turned him face later. shyt was stupid as hell. That has nothing to do with his create a finisher moveset though. Everything he does should lead to a pinfall, which is
Reigns' problem outside of spamming the Superman punch has almost exclusively been booking. His natural personality is laid back, quiet, and cool, but these goofy asses were trying to make him be Rock/Cena, when he clearly isn't either one. He's more Diesel/Batista/Goldberg. All Roman needs to do is kick ass and talk very little. That's easy to book.
he can cut promos, but I never want to see his matches.Rollins is a decent heel, and underwhelming face. The WWE's mistake with him is after building his come back with workout vids that built sympathy with the fans, they fukking had him shyt on the fans and stay heel, THEN turned him face later. shyt was stupid as hell. That has nothing to do with his create a finisher moveset though. Everything he does should lead to a pinfall, which is
Reigns' problem outside of spamming the Superman punch has almost exclusively been booking. His natural personality is laid back, quiet, and cool, but these goofy asses were trying to make him be Rock/Cena, when he clearly isn't either one. He's more Diesel/Batista/Goldberg. All Roman needs to do is kick ass and talk very little. That's easy to book.
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ALonelyDad
Veteran
Whining heel Seth is the best but roman right now is miles ahead of both of them. They are boring
Roman's the best of the Shield right now by a considerable margin.
Yes, it helps he's placed in more positions to look important, but to his credit he generally holds up his end of the deal.
Yes, it helps he's placed in more positions to look important, but to his credit he generally holds up his end of the deal.
Superkick Party
Atlus / Ryū ga Gotoku
Because Roman is good at telling stories and selling?
Because Roman is good at telling stories and selling?
I accepted it from the jump. It was clear Roman was the star from day one. I thought Rollins was trash going back to the IWA Mid South days, and I knew Dean was a fraud when they tried to put him in singles matches during the Shield run and every single one of them had to have fukkery to hide his trash.
Roman's performances just this year alone have dwarfed Seth and Dean so much it's absurd. His performance at Payback is going to go down as one of the all time GOAT WWE babyface sells.
Roman's performances just this year alone have dwarfed Seth and Dean so much it's absurd. His performance at Payback is going to go down as one of the all time GOAT WWE babyface sells.
Pinyapplesuckas
He's A Good Man
weird how Dean is the only believable face when all along we said he was the perfect heel of the 3. Roman is ok..im indifferent on him honestly. Seth is one of my favorites but his face promos are absolutely cringe worthy at times.