Do We Put To Much Stock Into A Rappers Discography?

[Mantle Drunk]

I think it should be considered when rating people but I don't think it's the end all be all. For instance Jadakiss is a legend to me his albums really arent that great but he's made an impact in so many other ways and proved his ability time and time again should that all be taken away from him because he doesnt have a classic album? Camp Lo has a classic album to me but who is more important to rap Camp Lo or Jada?

There's so many things that go into making an album should we really devalue someones talent because he doesnt have an ear for beats. For instance Canibus he's a legend and one of the most lyrical Mc's ever just off his 1st wave of features yeah he couldnt make and album but does that take away from the fact that he has some of the best verses ever spit on wax?

I only really enjoy 2 Nas albums with some being mediocre I still have him in my top 3 ever. Just because I don't like his albums you can't hide the fact that dudes a beast and clearly more talented then most of his peers. I understand with him it's a little different since he may have one of if not the greatest hip hop album ever so he will always have that to fall back on.

At the end of the day I feel like maybe a little to much weight is put on the quality of peoples albums when there is so many factors that have little to do with being a rapper that determine weather an album is good or bad that you can't just blow someone off for not having a masterpiece album.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

Yes especially in this era..We got mp3 players

When you get free time listen to new music and if you like something add it to the collection..even if its just one song

Writing someone off completely because they have a weak.discography its counter productive unless you're having goat discussions which ispointless too

 

[the cac mamba]

yea jadas pretty much the definition of the thread

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

^ IMO jadas mixtape discography can go toe to toe with anyone
That's what i'm saying..I take what I like from his albums add it to the collection and keep it moving

Cuz feel me off his first album is one of my favorite songss ever

 

[Harry B]

You only enjoy 2 Nas albums but you have him in your top 3, .
Weirdest shyt I've heard. If you can't produce good music, you're not a good rapper.

You might be a talented spitter or good freestyler or whatever, but imo to be a great musician you need great music.
So a one hit wonder can be a great artist, even though he only dropped that 1 dope song? A QB with more INTs than TDs is a wack QB, not matter if some of the TDs were clever as fukk.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

^ IMO jadas mixtape discography can go toe to toe with anyone
That's what i'm saying..I take what I like from his albums add it to the collection and keep it moving

Cuz feel me off his first album is one of my favorite songss ever

dap because Feel Me and Still Feel Me (both produced by my man Alchemist) are two of Kiss' best songs ever, but I don't think his discography can go toe to toe with anyone. I think his albums are all over the place.

 

[Mantle Drunk]

You only enjoy 2 Nas albums but you have him in your top 3, ..

It's true Illmatic alone could possibly put him in the discussion add in all the classic features and dope songs from the albums I don't care for plus recognozing the talent it all adds up.

 

[Harry B]

It's true Illmatic alone could possibly put him in the discussion add in all the classic features and dope songs from the albums I don't care for plus recognozing the talent it all adds up.

I understand what you're saying but it's not making any sense.
How can you appreciate Illmatic and this other album so much that you would put him in your top 3 and not a couple more of his albums. That's what I don't understand. It's like saying maths is my favorite subject of all time but I only enjoyed 2 of the 12 courses I've read in my life.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

dap because Feel Me and Still Feel Me (both produced by my man Alchemist) are two of Kiss' best songs ever, but I don't think his discography can go toe to toe with anyone. I think his albums are all over the place.

No..his mixtape discography
His studio albums are trash

 

[Mantle Drunk]

I understand what you're saying but it's not making any sense.
How can you appreciate Illmatic and this other album so much that you would put him in your top 3 and not a couple more of his albums. That's what I don't understand. It's like saying maths is my favorite subject of all time but I only enjoyed 2 of the 12 courses I've read in my life.

I don't know I guess I just look at it differently then other people not saying it's wrong to go by discography but it really doesn't make the rapper to me. You can have 15 of my favorite songs and I can dislike all of your albums. I thought it would be a good discussion on how people evaluate talent. For instance 50 Cent is a pretty solid song maker he understands it but he really doesnt rank all that highly to me. Some of my fav rappers have underwhelming solo albums ie. Method Man it's just how it is for me.

 

[spliz]

^ IMO jadas mixtape discography can go toe to toe with anyone
That's what i'm saying..I take what I like from his albums add it to the collection and keep it moving

Cuz feel me off his first album is one of my favorite songss ever

nope..he got a classic mixtape discog or album discog aint even really fukkin wit the nikkas in his own crew...both Styles and Sheek make better albums and Styles DEFINITELY has the best mixtapes out of the crew...Kiss is the laziest out of them in the mixtape dept...

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

nope..he got a classic mixtape discog or album discog aint even really fukkin wit the nikkas in his own crew...both Styles and Sheek make better albums and Styles DEFINITELY has the best mixtapes out of the crew...Kiss is the laziest out of them in the mixtape dept...

Verse for verse I'll put him up against anyone mixtape wise

But I agree CD wise styles beats him easily

 

[spliz]

Verse for verse I'll put him up against anyone mixtape wise

But I agree CD wise styles beats him easily

u dont think Styles beats Kiss easily mixtape wise either?..I think that's an even bigger gap..I remember I used to get tight when I would see Styles..Sheek..and even Jae Hood constantly droppin tracks and Kiss barely nothin and then he turns around and prepares u for an album that never lives up to espectations..he DOES have a couple classic mixtapes tho...

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

u dont think Styles beats Kiss easily mixtape wise either?..I think that's an even bigger gap..I remember I used to get tight when I would see Styles..Sheek..and even Jae Hood constantly droppin tracks and Kiss barely nothin and then he turns around and prepares u for an album that never lives up to espectations..he DOES have a couple classic mixtapes tho...

Its hard because jada didn't adapt when the mixtape game changed..

He made his name in the era of compilation mix tape CDs..where it would be 15 different artists on one tape..which is the point I was originally trying to make in the first place..if you go by individual tapes really all jada has to offer is Al queda jada and the champ is here..but that doesn't take into account all his verses on lox mixtape tracks and his verses on clue Kay slay etc..

 

[Harry B]

I don't know I guess I just look at it differently then other people not saying it's wrong to go by discography but it really doesn't make the rapper to me. You can have 15 of my favorite songs and I can dislike all of your albums. I thought it would be a good discussion on how people evaluate talent. For instance 50 Cent is a pretty solid song maker he understands it but he really doesnt rank all that highly to me. Some of my fav rappers have underwhelming solo albums ie. Method Man it's just how it is for me.

It doesn't make sense, it's possible but it just doesn't happen.
Just like someone averaging 3 PPG a whole seasons has 10 games where he drops 60 and a triple double on that. Just like a director doesn't have 2 of the greatest scenes in a wack ass movie.
It's all possible but it doesn't really happen.
If you can make 15 classic songs you can drop a classic album IF you want to.
Jada is a special case, dude doesn't give a fukk about dropping a classic album. He just wants people to buy his album at any price, he had like 40 features (no exaggeration) on his 2 latest album, different producers on every track and on.

If he wanted a classic, with his experience in the game he could call whoever and just get a co-executive producer to help with the direction.


And for that matter I think Jada is the artist who wasted the most talent in hiphop history.

I look at the whole package when I rank artists, I put up the pros and cons and Jada shines in technical skills and lacks a lot.
Consistency, discography, technical skills, flow, lyricism, impact, creativity, originality, originality, stories, anthems, club bangers, versatility and all that plays a huge role to me. You can't have a 95% mediocre discography and 5% dope and be top 3 imo, you have be able to prove that you weren't lucky that one time. If Ras Kass had followed up his first album with a nice discography he would be in a lot of cats top 25 lists.