http://christianthinktank.com/qnoslave.html
Now, when we come to the NT situation, the situation gets much more complex, but we will STILL have the issue of "how slavery was NT slavery
Read these in full. Your argument is voided by History.
Discovering Religion----> Why Organized Religion Is The Root of all Evil
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acri1 said:
5 hours? 
http://christianthinktank.com/qnoslave.html
Now, when we come to the NT situation, the situation gets much more complex, but we will STILL have the issue of "how slavery was NT slavery
Read these in full. Your argument is voided by History.
I dont need help to interpret:
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Ephesians 6:5
My only point was that, the church itself has evolved, because it's changed it's position many times on many subjects. even the translations of the bible have changed, just as peoples interpretations.
cryptosapien
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I sincerely don't understand how people can have faith in religion. To me it just makes no sense. Why would religion be true? What evidence is there for it?
I'm not that smart. I guess it has to do with over coming something you've been taught since birth. I wasn't, so it's easy for me to look at it logically.
I'm not that smart. I guess it has to do with over coming something you've been taught since birth. I wasn't, so it's easy for me to look at it logically.
DerrtySouthpaw
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the religious texts are the proof. whether you believe in it or not is on you. and thats just the thing about faith. you dont have to see it to believe it. its still there regardless. (from their standpoint) just my explanation im neutral as fukk brehs
IMO what it comes down to is that most people don't follow their religion for rational reasons, but for emotional and social ones.
People tend to be emotionally attached to the religion they were raised in and aren't really open to questioning it. No amount of logic and evidence will dissaude someone from believing in something they never believed for logical reasons in the first place. It's frustrating to people like me (and probably you) that try to look at everything logically, but it's just something I've realized as I've gotten older. Basically people believe what they want to believe.
It is what it is.
I think that's because its necessary for many peoples mental stability to have this "sink" for all open ended questions to land in. A whole number of things impact why it's necessary. Basically as I see it, it's a way to connect the dots in an otherwise disconnected instance of the conceptual inter-relationships that comprise and individuals mind. Without it, their minds do not function as efficiently, unfounded existing conceptual relationships experience stimulous that doesn't demands mental focus to dissect them into more viable relationships. If your conceptual basis happens not to be conducive to this task, a fix is required. If the god concept can assist in this task for individual x, they will adopt it because it suits their mental structure, allowing them to advance their understanding through it, rather than deconstruction/reconstruction - which requires perhaps more power than is available.
This does NOT imply that the religious mind is weak, but merely that it has different challenges than non-religious minds.
gangreen
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I never said major conflicts (i.e. in the sense of military conflict (eventhough there are religious overtones to them as well)).
I was speaking more about atrocities done by humans on a large scale to another in the name of religion. People in the past have destroyed cultural and historical pieces, murdered, and inhibited human ingenuity all in the name of supposedly God's law.
They use religion to justify atrocities to their fellow man. The most despicable criminal acts done on a large scale in history are because we can do this because God said it is allowed by cherry picking certain ambiguous text in their sacred scripture.
gangreen
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What controls another for not lying or raping has been organized laws. I will not lie or rape because of legal and social consequences of such actions.
I feel we should be past that, just to the point that religion are stories with good moral teachings but that is all. We should not feel compelled to live our entire lives by them. The laws we have now have picked upon the morality of the religions.
Religion is archaic. We have the capacity to find out more.
Religious texts are stories and stories evolve over time by someone telling the story differently.
The books of Genesis and Exodus for instance may have been changed so much to fit with the then contemporary times and to make the stories more believable that the original author (supposedly Moses from God) would not even recognize it.
Religion evolves all the time, Judaism has evolved into Christianity and Islam (and they have evolved with so many different sects of Christianity and Islam), Hinduism into Buddhism.
Humans are innovators and change with better ideas, (that is how this world works). Our design is innovation. That is the answer. Evolution. Everything Changes.
With all the religions in the world, who can claim they have the one true religion. We are lost, we should be spending more resources discovering why? and how? and not trying discovering what is correct and fighting amongst ourselves because of it?
The human creation of Religion and Social Morals evolves with better ideas.
Dirty_Jerz
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idk about you personally but what stops me from raping somebody is because i feel its wrong not because some uppity cacs made a few laws in the land
you say changing the story over the time is evolving but i call it hiding the truth (lying)
how has judaism "evolved" into christianity and islam?
they all have their own books and their own belief system
Great video. One of the best attacks on creationism I've seen on YouTube
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gangreen said:
No, there aren't. As stated earlier, less than 10% of conflicts in the world have been caused by religion. Major or minor.
gangreen said:
Well then, you need to actually list them and we can discuss them rather than painting history with a wide brush.
gangreen said:
Actually, the most despicable acts in history were committed because people wanted wealth. See the Belgian Congo.
gangreen
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Let me take Rape for example
Why does it feel wrong, were you born knowing it was wrong or did society tell you it was wrong. If rape was norm (society does not frown upon) that you grew up with, the likelihood that you would rape and find nothing wrong with it would be greater. Are we born knowing all. I personally don't think so.
What dictates how we interact with one another, is what we learn from negative and positive reinforcement.
Society tells you rape is bad therefore it is bad through a consensus. There are still some who rape knowing it is bad but alot more would do it if there were no present negative consequences for doing it and it was not frowned upon
as for your other point
Changing the story, hiding the truth, no major distinction.Why would one change the story other than withhold the truth of the original
Well, it is what is. I can't prove the original story was embellished to control the masses
(just a theory but you can not prove it wasn't either).
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Weren't the first Christians including Jesus Jewish who followed the teachings of the old testament or torrah and decided Jesus' teachings should be added to the torrah which spawned the new testament.
Also I believe Muslims consider the torrah the word of God given to Moses and follow its teachings along with the Quran.
