Did Jay-z really ruin Buddens career? Where did it go wrong for him?

[Sad Bunny]

He was pretty much Drake before Drake

 

[TheAlbionist]

I was a big Joe fan... still throw the first album on occasionally, the Mood Muziks were my sort of shyt at the time and I even enjoyed a lot of Escape Route... but Joe Budden is who stopped Joe Budden being a bigger star in rap.

Just listen to his raps. He told you every record why he was never gonna work long-term as a hitmaker.

 

[TheAlbionist]

I was banging Focus in the car literally today

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Nah. Joe blew up off a song he had no shot at replicating cause he was a bar spitting rapper.

And wit that being the song he was known for, he was gonna get out in that box when he was the opposite.

 

[Shadow King]

A lot of these answers are applying a lot of hindsight/later developments to the 02/03/04 period.

Joe like other rappers in that time fell into the chasm between the end of the mainstream label era and the blog rap era, where the formulae for blowing up became fragmented.

2003 is not yet this era you're speaking on.

He was taking a lot of Ls back then too. He was the 1st to go viral for getting socked in the eye, his homeboy got slapped at his font door, the vlogs he used to w Tahiey were cringe. DV allegations, relapse, chasing teens like a fiendish crackhead. Jacking dogs, naked, prowling porch pirate. (I couldn’t stop was I got started. Dude and Game are the 2 best representatives of water finding its level in the rap world.

*In My Sleep >

All of this was after the initial period where he could've/should've blown up.

 

[Ziggiy]

They wanted Budden to be 50 Cent and make chart topping hits when he was more of a Nas type of rapper, and if he was going to have mainstream success, that would be his lane.

Thats an insult to Nas.

“Nas” type rappers that were able to actually craft hit songs are Lupe Fiasco, Kendrick Lamar, and J.Cole. Budden was just a talented fukk up who leaned more into the fukking up than the talent.

 

[Rasille]

Thats an insult to Nas.

“Nas” type rappers that were able to actually craft hit songs are Lupe Fiasco, Kendrick Lamar, and J.Cole. Budden was just a talented fukk up who leaned more into the fukking up than the talent.

I’m not comparing Budden to Nas and judging by your post you obviously know that.

 

[Yehuda]

Buddens was never gonna get far. What the fukk is a Mood Muzik?

 

[BK The Great]

Budden was emo rapper before it was even popular, Def Jam didn't know what to do with him so he was dead on arrival. He's lucky he survived being a indie artist cause that opened doors for him during the Youtube era and he started the podcast thing.

 

[Ziggiy]

I’m not comparing Budden to Nas and judging by your post you obviously know that.

You saying Budden is a “Nas type” of rapper is definitely comparing him to Nas but in the context and argument of Budden’s writing ability, he was never able to consistently craft hits. Hell, he wasn’t even able to craft songs that could be argued SHOULD BE hits outside of maybe 2 on his debut (and thats being generous) whereas Nas was writing hits 10 years and 7 albums deep into his career.

 

[Rasille]

You saying Budden is a “Nas type” of rapper is definitely comparing him to Nas but in the context and argument of Budden’s writing ability, he was never able to consistently craft hits. Hell, he wasn’t even able to craft songs that could be argued SHOULD BE hits outside of maybe 2 on his debut (and thats being generous) whereas Nas was writing hits 10 years and 7 albums deep into his career.

That’s not a comparison bro. I used Nas as a reference for how he should’ve been utilized by Def Jam.

 

[ahomeplateslugger]

Worry? I'm, not!
the Mike Jordan of the mic recording
It's Hovi, baby
you Kobe, maybe - Tracy McGrady
Matter fact, you a Harold Miner
J.R. Rider, washed up on marijuana
Even worse, you a Pervis Ellis
You worthless, fella
you ain't no athlete, you Shawn Bradley!!

- Jay-Z (Pump It Up freestyle)

They put Hov’s freestyle on 2K13 instead of Budden’s version too.
Subliminal Hov

that was absolutely foul and ridiculous looking back at it.

say what you want about joe but he definitely had his label and industry folks pushing him out. he never got a fair shake at the game when he's definitely better than a lot of rappers in his era and influenced a lot of the current rappers on the charts. joe had a dark, heavy drug and introspective style that was also lyrical. a lot of these new rappers are a spin-off from that style.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

Joe like other rappers in that time fell into the chasm between the end of the mainstream label era and the blog rap era, where the formulae for blowing up became fragmented.

This is the answer. 7 years earlier or 7 years later and he's a much bigger artists.

That was a time when ringtone rap was popping and rappers were chasing hits because that was the way to make it.

 

[Ziggiy]

That’s not a comparison bro. I used Nas as a reference for how he should’ve been utilized by Def Jam.

How would they have done that if the man couldn’t write a hit to save his life?

 

[staticshock]

Growing up, between the time period after Pump it up become old until I joined the Coli. I thought of Joe Budden as a one hit wonder sort of like J Kwon



When I joined The Coli and realized that he dropped a bunch of music AFTER Pump it Up and had stans on here had me like

Pump it up is the only budden song I know..& that’s cause of Madden. Nobody in the south was fukkin with budden like we did with 50, Cam, Fab, Jay, & Jada