RennisDeynolds
I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds!
@I love Latina women was his manager back then. He hates Joe til this day
Did Jay-z really ruin Buddens career? Where did it go wrong for him?
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I love Latina women
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This whole thread is corny …..you wasn’t around this in real lifeWhen you sit back and think about it
Budden prettty much had everything lined up for him to take over.
He was pretty much Drake before Drake
AND
He came in the game with a certified CLASSIC hit record. PUMP IT UP.
Then after that everything just went to shyt.
Budden attributes alot of the fukkery to Hov hopping on the song and remixing it while dissing him. He says that it fukked up his trajectory and momentum
BUT
Is that really it?Could that act really have been the catalyst to the Budden on the podcast couch that we see today?
pawdalaw
Superstar
He was taking a lot of Ls back then too. He was the 1st to go viral for getting socked in the eye, his homeboy got slapped at his font door, the vlogs he used to w Tahiey were cringe. DV allegations, relapse, chasing teens like a fiendish crackhead. Jacking dogs, naked, prowling porch pirate. (I couldn’t stop was I got started. Dude and Game are the 2 best representatives of water finding its level in the rap world.
*In My Sleep >
*In My Sleep >
His first album wasn't good enough. Nobody still plays that shyt, nobody calls it a classic. All his best music was on mixtapes the masses were unaware of.
Was he the one who put him on latina women??
Let's see
-Pump it up was on several soundtracks before his own album came out. The biggest reason to cop his album was nullified by album release time
-His debut dropped, and had glimpses of his own style (Walk with Me, Calm Down, 10 Mins), but largely wasn't good
-What about the mainstream efforts then? Focus, which should have been the lead street single before Pump It Up, never pushed hard. Fire, which was god awful, was also never pushed (rightly so)
-He could not make a lead single for his second album to save his life, he had glimpses like Gangsta Party with Nate Dogg produced by Storch, and then absolutely horrid attempts like Aint Nothing produced by Swizz
-By this time he was already talking hella shyt about Def Jam, them wanting a poppin single, they won't give him a release date, along with jabs at Jay as new Def Jam pres.
He would have been bigger if he came out in today's era, where you pop off by yourself doing your own content the way you want, then the labels come for you after and just support your movement, instead of trying to guide you a certain direction so they can recoup their budget properly. And you don't really need a mainstream single either. Go listen to Mood Muzik 2, which I think is his best body of work. In that era, are the casuals gonna gravitate towards that and make it do numbers? What would be the single there? Between what type of music he brings to the table, him being young and petty with authority figure issues, and possibly some bias against him from Def Jam and Jay because of the aforementioned, just wasn't gonna work out.
-Pump it up was on several soundtracks before his own album came out. The biggest reason to cop his album was nullified by album release time
-His debut dropped, and had glimpses of his own style (Walk with Me, Calm Down, 10 Mins), but largely wasn't good
-What about the mainstream efforts then? Focus, which should have been the lead street single before Pump It Up, never pushed hard. Fire, which was god awful, was also never pushed (rightly so)
-He could not make a lead single for his second album to save his life, he had glimpses like Gangsta Party with Nate Dogg produced by Storch, and then absolutely horrid attempts like Aint Nothing produced by Swizz
-By this time he was already talking hella shyt about Def Jam, them wanting a poppin single, they won't give him a release date, along with jabs at Jay as new Def Jam pres.
He would have been bigger if he came out in today's era, where you pop off by yourself doing your own content the way you want, then the labels come for you after and just support your movement, instead of trying to guide you a certain direction so they can recoup their budget properly. And you don't really need a mainstream single either. Go listen to Mood Muzik 2, which I think is his best body of work. In that era, are the casuals gonna gravitate towards that and make it do numbers? What would be the single there? Between what type of music he brings to the table, him being young and petty with authority figure issues, and possibly some bias against him from Def Jam and Jay because of the aforementioned, just wasn't gonna work out.
vdfebduderocks
Pro
no - Jay-Z had nothing to do with it. If anyone, blame 50 Cent, Kanye, the Internet, and other factors beyond that. He was a mixtape rapper mistakenly typecast as a mainstream rapper in a transition period where album sales were further declining and budgets were shrinking. Had he come out in 2006-2007, during the Blog era, he'd be a whole lot bigger. He was too early in that facet.
In my opinion joe went to much to the sensitive moody raps route, cause that's him in real life but he had qualities like his voice to be doing more of those hyper uptempo songs like Busta. I mean that's what jump off is. It looks like he tried too hard to get away from the jump off type songs. If he stayed in that lane probably could have more success
. He would never have been relevant in rap like he is in podcasting, he should send Jigga a watch or sumnI don’t even watch/listen to him and I always said this same thing about him too, he is a perpetual self-saboteur. That’s really a terrible terrible characteristic in people, I empathize, I was the same.
I was a huge Joe fan, have his whole discography, he got as big as he was going to get. The whole depression rap was only going to take him so far.
I been posting on this site since it dropped. This is one of the worst takes/comparisons I've ever seen written on here.
Its terrible