Did Jay-z really ruin Buddens career? Where did it go wrong for him?

[Shadow King]

Naw you just want an argument. Success in rap is measured 2 ways. Income and legacy.

Both of them have done well financially. Neither has the respect admiration that mirrors their talent.

The most respected artists in hip hop didn’t earn that title because of sales. We give flowers to those that embody hip hop, not commercial success.

Sales ≠ successful career in rap.

No, you're simply moving the goal post because you know your comparison was terrible. What we know about both these men in 2010 or 2015 has nothing to do with whether or not they blow up in 2003 for Joe or 2005 for Game. If Joe had to run run that Game had for 10 years we would not be asking this question. This is my last original response to you before repeating this until you let it go.

 

[Art Barr]

Comparing Joe Budden to Drake is INSANE

Both, drake and goof lame joe budden are brian austin green in blackface.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I'll never forget that horrific picture via Ester Baxter posted on AHH boards back in the days. After that it was f*ck Budden

This.

Notice his ol gooflame everything is fine.
Meets stockholm syndrome affected slash ho protector face ass fans tho.




Art Barr

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

Drake only ever sounded like Joe on Comeback season

 

[O.Red]

Joe's personal issues aside nobody remembers shyt from that first album outside of Pump It Up and Focus, and I'm being very generous with Focus

 

[pawdalaw]

No, you're simply moving the goal post because you know your comparison was terrible. What we know about both these men in 2010 or 2015 has nothing to do with whether or not they blow up in 2003 for Joe or 2005 for Game. If Joe had to run run that Game had for 10 years we would not be asking this question. This is my last original response to you before repeating this until you let it go.

Nikka or cac whatever you are! both have done corny shyt from day one, both are underachievers according to their talent. There are no goal posts to move. You are arguing semantics like a dikksucker when the premise is who sabotaged buddens career. My answer: He did it to himself! Any accolades/flowers that game hasn’t received isn’t due to being blackballed, sabotaged. It’s because he’s a cornball.
You’ve got the logic of a fukking bird. You don’t even know why the fukk you keep quoting me

 

[Shadow King]

No, you're simply moving the goal post because you know your comparison was terrible. What we know about both these men in 2010 or 2015 has nothing to do with whether or not they blow up in 2003 for Joe or 2005 for Game. If Joe had to run run that Game had for 10 years we would not be asking this question. This is my last original response to you before repeating this until you let it go.

 

[winb83]

When you sit back and think about it



Budden prettty much had everything lined up for him to take over.


He was pretty much Drake before Drake



AND


He came in the game with a certified CLASSIC hit record. PUMP IT UP.



Then after that everything just went to shyt.



Budden attributes alot of the fukkery to Hov hopping on the song and remixing it while dissing him. He says that it fukked up his trajectory and momentum



BUT


Is that really it? Could that act really have been the catalyst to the Budden on the podcast couch that we see today?

He was ahead of his time. He was Joyner Lucas or Logic before Joyner Lucas or Logic. He's probably flourish today but back then people weren't on to what he was doing.

 

[Finesse]

He was ahead of his time. He was Joyner Lucas or Logic before Joyner Lucas or Logic. He's probably flourish today but back then people weren't on to what he was doing.

Yup super thugged out rap era. Budden would of def prospered more in the blog era and beyond.

 

[nieman]

I was a big Budden fan,and Joe had me turn on JayZ talking about #LetBuddenGo. Only for us to all be embarrassed when Jay told us "Joe aint even turn the album in yet"


But thats neither here nor there. Joe was not Drake before Drake. I guess you could call him "Dark Drake" if you wanted to. But i really only expected a great under the radar type of career.


I was just telling someone J Cole is more in that The Game and Joe Budden class of rappers. But i had to take that back,because Budden was a few notches above Game and J Cole as an emcee imo.

He turned it in. He just didn't turn something that Jay considered an "album" and he definitely didn't have a lead single. Jay kept telling him "it wasn't finished", according to other parties around that time. Remember during his "F' Jay" tirade, a good portion of it became MM2...which was just Joe dropping it as such out of spite...as only Joe does.

The problem with Joe is that he didn't fit in with the landscape of the mainstream hip-hop artists at that time, while trying to be forced as a mainstream hip-hop artist. In spite of everything, I think he ended up making a great career for himself. He was another one of the earliest to use the internet to engaged with fans, he practically was the inception for Love & Hip-Hop, and his level of writing is A-tier. He dropped like 10 albums, with a loyal fanbase while burning every bridge possible along the way, and still around...Yeah, that's a great career.

 

[Ohene]

Joe was never gonna have mainstream appeal.

I loved his mood muzik series, but I still wish to this day they were mixed better, (off memory) the 2nd one sounds like shyt.

huh
the second one was impeccable. i think you mean the third one

 

[nieman]

Eh

You're missing the point. I don't think Joe Budden is a hit maker (he never has been). If he came out today, that would have been fine. I think all the artists you mentioned would have been fukked if they came out in 2003.



I disagree to some extent

50: blackballed by major labels: Eminem and his strong mixtape game saved him
TI: Don't know enough will give you this one
Kanye: grandfathered in, was plugged in with Jay since '00
Jeezy: South, plugged into the streets
Lupe: got fukked by Atlantic after his debut
Ross: good counterexample

Apart from TI/Ross, all the others would have been fukked, barring their extenuating circumstances

Think of all the upcoming and legacy artists who's sales either plummeted or stalled around the 2003-06 period. Especially NY artists.

TI initially flopped and was given a second chance. His lead single was I'm Serious w/ The Neptunes and he still flopped...But I don't know if he got dropped or left the label.

 

[Harry B]

Joe just sucks as a commercial rapper, that’s why he hates all the people that make it big without that poppy shyt. Cause he had to do it, even as an independent and it fukking sucked. Except pump it up.



This shyt is not for everyone, get super smoked by Wiz and Montana. Indie was always his thing and should’ve doubled down on that. But of course, gotta pay bills and bag bbw latinas

 

[Rasille]

Something just hit me, if Lupe could have success in his era particularly during F&L and The Cool, then there’s no way Joe couldn’t have worked, Def Jam was lazy imo.

 

[B...]

Comparing Joe Budden to Drake is INSANE

It’s not if you listened to “Room for Improvement” to “TML”

You can most definitely hear the influence in his style. Drake was on JBTV even bigging him up before he truly blew up.