As a matter of fact Im not going to list anything. You made an argument, that was a bad argument, and I disagree with you. Your mind is made up, and so is mine. I just think you have a deluded sense of what it means to be an elite pg.okay so list 21 SG, SF, PF, or C and prove it. I mean seriously this is like the stupidest thing, it's a given. You over there calling 19 and 9 assists "good pgs", yet 25 and 8 assists gets you MVP? Steve nash won 2 with 18 and 10 seasons (although he had insane shoot %s). I don't see what line you are drawing statistically and it's probably because you don't even know how good some of these guys have been and are playing.