GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Yeah, I haven't seen enough of him, so I have no idea how his chin is...but he also has not faced great competition to test it either.
Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz - Official For March 3, Barclays
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reservoirdogs
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hell nah...
maybe you want that to happen but something won't be true just because you want it to be true
the man is probably well into his 40s, beating Klitschko, any version of him, would be still a better win than beating Ortiz
let's assume that Wilder beats Ortiz just knocks him straight out cold it's still not better than beating Klitschko. Yeah Klitschko was 41 when he fought Joshua, Ortiz officially gonna be 39 when he faces Wilder and who knows how old he is unoficially so age is not a deciding factor here and claiming that Luis Ortiz is a better fighter than Klitschko is just delusional.
That man ruled this division for more than a decade let's give him a little respect
hell nah...
maybe you want that to happen but something won't be true just because you want it to be true
the man is probably well into his 40s, beating Klitschko, any version of him, would be still a better win than beating Ortiz
let's assume that Wilder beats Ortiz just knocks him straight out cold it's still not better than beating Klitschko. Yeah Klitschko was 41 when he fought Joshua, Ortiz officially gonna be 39 when he faces Wilder and who knows how old he is unoficially so age is not a deciding factor here and claiming that Luis Ortiz is a better fighter than Klitschko is just delusional.
Anthony Joshua beat a 41 year old Klitschko who was coming off a lopsided loss and 2 years ring rust. His last win was by decision over Bryant Jennings where he looked like he was fading......the same Jennings that Luis Ortiz KOd in 7 afterwards.
A dominant KO win over Ortiz > getting dropped & nearly stopped, to survive and KO a washed up Klitschko in the 11th.
reservoirdogs
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triangle theories now?
also you skip to mention that Ortiz hasn't looked as good since he beat Jennings 2 years ago, he looked significantly worse since. He had one more impressive showing against Thompson but since then he faded a little.
It would be still a very good win for Wilder, even now but my point stays, beating Klitschko > beating Ortiz and I think I doN't belong in the minority with this opinion now, I doN't expect tbrb and etc.. to put Wilder ahead of Joshua in rankings because he beat Ortiz
we will see though if Wilder beats him
triangle theories now?
Where do you see a triangle theory?
Beating an undefeated Luis Ortiz via KO in clear cut fashion > getting dropped & finally stopping a 41 year old, with 2 years ring rust, coming off a lop sided loss.
reservoirdogs
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Where do you see a triangle theory?
Bringing in Jennings as a relevant factor in evaluating which win is better
I disagree
No, it just points out that Klitschko had slipped.
He went 12 and had difficulty putting away Jennings (while Ortiz put him down in 7), got clearly outboxed in a wide loss to Fury, and then was out the ring for nearly 2 years....then he, at 41 years old, faced an in his prime Joshua.
desjardins
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When Ortiz first came on the scene he looked like an absolute beast, but I haven't seen him since the Scott fight. On the flip side Wilder was fighting straight bums a couple years ago and showing various flaws defensively but that last fight against Stiverne got me 
I'm pick Wilder based off that last showing and the fact Ortiz ain't fight nobody since Malik Scott a couple years ago
I'm pick Wilder based off that last showing and the fact Ortiz ain't fight nobody since Malik Scott a couple years ago
triangle theories now?
also you skip to mention that Ortiz hasn't looked as good since he beat Jennings 2 years ago, he looked significantly worse since. He had one more impressive showing against Thompson but since then he faded a little.
It would be still a very good win for Wilder, even now but my point stays, beating Klitschko > beating Ortiz and I think I doN't belong in the minority with this opinion now, I doN't expect tbrb and etc.. to put Wilder ahead of Joshua in rankings because he beat Ortiz
we will see though if Wilder beats him
I'd say the AJ win is = or less than the potential dominant KO victory over Ortiz.
But to say Wilder will get a dominant KO victory, is not something guaranteed IMO
reservoirdogs
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Ortiz slipped imo and mostof the ppl think the same
he's still a better opponent than all but a very few of other guys but he isn't as good as he was 2 years ago.
HW is trash...
Aside of Joshua, Wilder and Ortiz there isn't really any names out there who would have a true potential (I mean being serious factor inthe world of boxing)Jarrell Miller is entertaining and all but idk how far he can go and the other guy who's not a lost case is Kownacki, but those are the only 2 guys from the current contenders who MIGHT be morepromising although I'd say Miller's ceiling is already visible.
I hope the next prospect generation of HWs will really elavate the weightclass a little.
Dubois looking good, hope he continues to rise in the ranks next year
then there are the new wave of HW Olympicons:
Joe Joyce, the silver medallist of Rio, he is 32 or something already but since he only got 1 fights so far I count him as a prospect, he did some nice boxing on his first fight
Tony Yoka from France who (controversially) won the golden medal in Rio
the Croatian dude Filip Hrgovic who got bronze
the Kazakh guy Ivan Dychko who also got a bronze
and one of the Nigerian dudes Schaefer signed, Efe Ajagba
also there was this Kiwi guy (not Olympian) who looked quite good last time, Junior Fa
and then there's this gypsy guy, actually some relative of Fury who is regarded high by some of the Brits, Nathan Gorman
interestingly enough I can't recall any bright American prospect in HW, I know that it's not like the 90s and the age of American HW is over - at least for now - but it's still surprising.
It will be interesting to see which one of these (if any) listed guys gonna make a serious remark in the division and which ones will be dropped out from the conversation
I hate NYC and NJ area though.
Had to stay there for 2 months over the summer in high school and hated every single day of it.
David_TheMan
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When Ortiz first came on the scene he looked like an absolute beast, but I haven't seen him since the Scott fight. On the flip side Wilder was fighting straight bums a couple years ago and showing various flaws defensively but that last fight against Stiverne got me
I'm pick Wilder based off that last showing and the fact Ortiz ain't fight nobody since Malik Scott a couple years ago
Deontay fought Malik 2 years before Ortiz did, so if Deontay hasn't fought anything but bums, how can you say Ortiz hasn't fought bums as well?
David_TheMan
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When Ortiz first came on the scene he looked like an absolute beast, but I haven't seen him since the Scott fight. On the flip side Wilder was fighting straight bums a couple years ago and showing various flaws defensively but that last fight against Stiverne got me
I'm pick Wilder based off that last showing and the fact Ortiz ain't fight nobody since Malik Scott a couple years ago
Deontay fought Malik 2 years before Ortiz did, so if Deontay hasn't fought anything but bums, how can you say Ortiz hasn't fought bums as well?
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