Dems need to get rid of Manchin

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Him blocking this last piece of legislation really should be the last straw even though I had personally believed before this that he should be kicked out.

He is horrendous for the party. At this point the damage that he does to brand messaging, party cohesion, optics of effectiveness of governance is beyond what's acceptable.

The rest of the party, including the White House, looks weak in large part due to him. Biden is the de facto head of the party and how does it make him look that he cannot get his platform across because of one senator in his own party from a totally irrelevant state? It's totally pathetic.

Regardless of the reality of the situation, the general perception is that Democrats have control of Congress and the White House and still cannot deliver on their promises. That is a recipe for quelled voter turnout and a loss.

At this point a Republican in West Virginia is better for the Democrats, even if it's the most extreme right winger possible. It seems as though the results would be only nominally different than having Manchin in that seat, the party would look more united and the Democrats could run on winning the senate to get their platform across without hurdles rather than having the general voting public think that they are able to do what they want but for whatever reason are not doing so.

If Democrats dont back a primary challenger to Manchin when hes up and then totally pull funding if Manchin win his primary then their strategists and party leaders are hapless idiots if not corrupt and disingenuous.

I'm sick of hearing about Manchin being better than all other alternatives when he is entirely undermining the majority leader of both houses, the White House and a significant portion of their voters nationally.

If you want to throw Sinema in there with Manchin then fine do that too. But at least cut the head of the snake off and move better going forward.

 

[Robbie3000]

I get it, but that would mean handing over the leadership to Mitch McConnell to control the agenda.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

The party apparatus continually looking at just D and R and numbers alone are missing the total picture and doing the health of the party a disservice. Yes, it's a big tent party and numbers do matter, but if someone is at the fringes of the party they have to at least be acting in good faith and be loyal when the rubber meets the road. The progressives fall in line when necessary and the right wing of the party defects. It's pretty clear where the blame should lie. If paper pushers and low IQ staffers want to keep blaming the Bernies and AOCs of the world for disenchanting moderate Democrats then it's only fair to blame Manchin and Sinema for disenchanting more left Democrats/Independents. When Bernie and AOC "wing" ran and pulled the Presidential platform to the left Democrats won.

Let's see what happens in November when Manchin was front and center shifting the narrative to the right since then

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I get it, but that would mean handing over the leadership to Mitch McConnell to control the agenda.

Better to do that now with Biden still in the White House and push to recapture in 2024 while the right acts over zealously in the interim. If Dems put a bandaid on things in November they lose everything in 2024 quite easily

 

[Worthless Loser]

No other Democrat can win in West Virginia. Its easy to blame Manchin. We could also blame the Democratic party for running shytty Senate campaigns and being unable to pick up more seats. Seats that would have made Manchin and Sinema non factors.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

No other Democrat can win in West Virginia. Its easy to blame Manchin. We could also blame the Democratic party for running shytty Senate campaigns and being unable to pick up more seats.

The party shouldnt care about West Virginia any more. Manchin is malignant tumor, hes no longer benign nor is he a Democrat. Bernie is more of a Democrat than Manchin is. I don't care about their official party affiliation

It would be a favorable position to run a national senatorial push when you are in the minority and cannot get what you want done rather than be perceived to have the majority and not get what you want done.

Manchin is dragging the party and dialogue to the right and enabling the takeover of a radical GOP just as much as a Republican in his seat would

Get him out

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

If the argument is dems need to run better campaigns to make Sinema and Manchin irrelevant, wouldnt it make more sense to treat them as Republicans and have a more united party and cohesive messaging which would then enable better campaigns to be ran elsewhere? Focus on flipping a seat in a red state that is currently running wild on Abortion and mobilize those previously disenchanted there and throw Manchin in the bushes. You cant allow one lowlife senator to completely undermine a sitting President of the same party

 

[mastermind]

No other Democrat can win in West Virginia. Its easy to blame Manchin. We could also blame the Democratic party for running shytty Senate campaigns and being unable to pick up more seats. Seats that would have made Manchin and Sinema non factors.

It's the party that YOU personally want.

If the argument is dems need to run better campaigns to make Sinema and Manchin irrelevant, wouldnt it make more sense to treat them as Republicans and have a more united party and cohesive messaging which would then enable better campaigns to be ran elsewhere? Focus on flipping a seat in a red state that is currently running wild on Abortion and mobilize those previously disenchanted there and throw Manchin in the bushes. You cant allow one lowlife senator to completely undermine a sitting President of the same party

You talking to someone who roots for the party to behave this way. He isn't ideologically consistent. Its just vote D for him.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

It's the party that YOU personally want.


You talking to someone who roots for the party to behave this way. He isn't ideologically consistent. Its just vote D for him.

It's not nefarious to think that way it's just short sighted and incomplete. Allowing Manchin to do what he does undermines the party nationwide. If a republican is in that seat it allows for a democrat that stands for party ideals to get more media attention rather than an obstructive a$$hole that makes everyone else look weak. There may be a republican in his place but its unlikely they will be anything other than a vote. They wouldnt be granted the spotlight and power within the GOP to be a game changer like Manchin currently is in their favor.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Its funny how so many people deride Bernie for having a different letter in parentheses by his name than Manchin in favor of Manchin citing party unity while completely disregarding the damage that Manchin does to the party brand and elected officials. He is literally preventing party members from delivering to their constituents.

The power of the almighty D

Smh

 

[Worthless Loser]

It's the party that YOU personally want.


You talking to someone who roots for the party to behave this way. He isn't ideologically consistent. Its just vote D for him.

What are you talking about. I'd rather Dems be able to actually govern and be a competent party for once.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

The one place that Manchin (and Sinema) have not been entirely worthless on is getting judges confirmed.

If Mitch is still Majority Leader Breyer's seat stays open for the entire four years.

 

[mastermind]

It's not nefarious to think that way it's just short sighted and incomplete. Allowing Manchin to do what he does undermines the party nationwide. If a republican is in that seat it allows for a democrat that stands for party ideals to get more media attention rather than an obstructive a$$hole that makes everyone else look weak. There may be a republican in his place but its unlikely they will be anything other than a vote. They wouldnt be granted the spotlight and power within the GOP to be a game changer like Manchin currently is in their favor.

And this is the key issue. Manchin has made himself president of the country by doing these talk shows. And he is making the argument that this stuff is bipartisian.

Manchin is a symbol of how dysfunctional and chaotic that party is and he knows he will not be punished for any of it.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

And this is the key issue. Manchin has made himself president of the country by doing these talk shows. And he is making the argument that this stuff is bipartisian.

Manchin is a symbol of how dysfunctional and chaotic that party is and he knows he will not be punished for any of it.

Have there been progressive gubernatorial candidates that have made it to.a general election?

I think the major problem with that wing of the party is actually getting people to visualize the ideals in action rather than being scared off by buzzwords due to conditioning.

I'd like a progressive challenger to be backed by the party as an executive, even if it's against a republican with strong favorables, as opposed to being relegated to state houses and US congressional races

 

[mastermind]

Have there been progressive gubernatorial candidates that have made it to.a general election?

I think the major problem with that wing of the party is actually getting people to visualize the ideals in action rather than being scared off by buzzwords due to conditioning.

I'd like a progressive challenger to be backed by the party as an executive, even if it's against a republican with strong favorables, as opposed to being relegated to state houses and US congressional races

I’m of a different mindset.

Start winning local and state seats and entrench these beliefs and ideals at that level and work up. You can’t do anything if no one is backing you or you have no money. Manchin has monied backers. The left needs people to support.

And I think a lot of people do support the left in this country, but the left focuses too much on academic spaces and national issues and not smaller issues.