Democratic Party Rebuild
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The reason Pete Buttigieg has appeal and value is because he's one of the better communicators in the party, and because he's very good at rebutting Republican talking points in real time.
Gavin Newsom isn't quite as polished in that regard but he is better at matching republican energy.
Gavin Newsom isn't quite as polished in that regard but he is better at matching republican energy.
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That’s not a reason to vote for him.
Being a good communicator IS a good reason to vote for someone because the left does have good ideas and policies and laying them out for the Rubes of this country has been a long-standing problem.
It's just not THE ONLY reason to vote for him. There ought to be others.
Here's a good reason to vote for Buttigieg:
He's not a fukkin Nazi.
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You're right, but Buttigieg is not on the left. His policies are status quo Democratic platform stuff that people are not in support of, including passionate Democratic voters.
This isn't the rebuild the nazi party thread.
First point is fair.
Second point is fair...kind of. But we got Nazis in power right now. The goal pretty much is to tear down this Nazi government....and rebuild a constitutional Republic
I keep telling yall Warren is who people think Bernie Sanders is… 
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I hear you, but none of us are voting for Nazis. People who want the Democratic Party strong are not voting for Trump/Musk.
We can't keep framing shyt as "they not like us." It doesn't work.
I don't want to live in the past too much, so I won't dwell on the Democrats shunning Bernie Sanders and killing that movement. But I do think the Democrats have to get over this fear of embracing populism...or at least embracing populist ideas.
So what if the Republicans brand you a socialist or communist. You've had 90 fukkin years to develop rebuttals to that kind of rhetoric. You ought to know how to counter that propaganda.
Moving to that side of the political spectrum is what it's going to take to get these morons on your side, I think.
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I don't think it's even Bernie. They got shook at George McGovern in 1972. A lot of the current Dem leadership ---the real leaders like Pelosi, Clyburn, Schumer, Biden, etc. ---were there when that happened. None of them supported McGovern because they were institutionalists, but they saw it and never wanted it to happen again.
Going back to what I said prior, those people are also Cold War liberals and have trained generations of politicians with that framing.
What I keep coming back to is liberalism is dead. Its a dead concept. The neoliberals killed it by breaking the New Deal. I am not sure what the next political ideology is, but no one wants liberalism, especially since Obama ran on it and then killed it himself during his presidency.
I think Dems run on the "they not like us" platform because they know liberalism is dead and have no real ideas.
As we become more online as a voting constituency I think more people are starting to see through the fact that democrats actually don't run on anything. I'm in the belief that majority of the backlash from polling we are seeing towards the party is due to the simple fact that voters are simply tired of the status quo. This is what has allowed maga to become a legitimate alternative, dems need their own heritage foundation that sets the parties agenda from a populism perspective
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THis is why I keep saying liberalism is dead. Not just in the US but in the Global North. It hasn't worked. You don't go from a being able to support a family of four with one job to needing two or three jobs to survive on your own. The deal with liberalism broke a long time ago and I think voters realized that during Obama's presidency.
Like you said, MAGA happens because the norms and status quo bullshyt people that these old guard Dems hold so dear and close to their hearts mean nothing to most people because life has gotten worse. But MAGA ain't the permanent ideology either. We really need bold and new ideas that are outside of the box and aren't destructive. Neither party offering that.
I hate the democrats
Now here is 50 posts on what they should do to run the United States
Now here is 50 posts on what they should do to run the United States
The difference between the parties is their approach. Democratic leadership is always on something like:
"That's now how things work."
"That's not realistic."
"We can't do that right now."
"Change happens slowly."
"We need to get broad support."
"If you don't like it, vote Republican."
"They would do worse."
Etc., etc., etc.
Republican leadership is:
"We're doing this come hell or high water. Try and stop us."
Also, look how these cowards talked all that bipartisan bullshyt after trump got back in. You will NEVER see Republicans do that for a Democratic president.
It is a feckless party that has been in desperate need of fresh leadership for a decade. Instead, they bury any promising voices to keep the senior citizens running the Titanic in place until their death beds.
