"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

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I have a sickness. Every single year I ignore and undervalue the pgs in the draft because i just do not seem to value that position as high as everyone else. Cause now I need this to happen…



Trading Julius, Rose and Burks somehow and signing Brunson and bringing back Mitch could
give us a really fun lineup of:

Brunson/IQ/McBride
RJ/Grimes
Mathurin/Fournier
Reddish/Obi
Mitch/Sims

inject this roster into my veins… :blessed:
 
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I have a sickness. Every single year I ignore and undervalue the pgs I’m the draft because i just do not seem to value that position as high as everyone else. Cause now I need this to happen…



Trading Julius, Rose and Burks somehow and signing Brunson and bringing back Mitch could
give us a really fun lineup of:

Brunson/IQ/McBride
RJ/Grimes
Mathurin/Fournier
Reddish/Obi
Mitch/Sims

inject this roster into my veins… :blessed:


If we can't move up, Mathurin's my favorite prospect. I don't love his fit because of all our log jams and Thib won't give him proper burn. But That rotation looks fun as hell for sure.
 

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I have a sickness. Every single year I ignore and undervalue the pgs in the draft because i just do not seem to value that position as high as everyone else. Cause now I need this to happen…



Trading Julius, Rose and Burks somehow and signing Brunson and bringing back Mitch could
give us a really fun lineup of:

Brunson/IQ/McBride
RJ/Grimes
Mathurin/Fournier
Reddish/Obi
Mitch/Sims

inject this roster into my veins… :blessed:


Benny The Butcher :wow:
 

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Could never call this season a waste with how RJ & Quickley playing....AND Sims....AND Grimes....and the trade for Reddish

it is if the perception of those players doesn’t meet them where they are. RJ should be considered a young star and the league wide perception will be, let’s see if he can keep it up next season before we make a judgement.
 

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Yall know all the gas I've had for IQ's recent growth being a potential leap? Zach Lowe took note of the developments in his latest insider article.

10 things: Fearsome play from the champs, raging success in OKC and ... positivity in New York?
There was heated debate at the trade deadline about the value of New York's young players. I was a tepid optimist. RJ Barrett is solid, bulldozing to the rim over the last two months. Obi Toppin is tougher to project, but his combination of speed and feel will amount to something with more opportunity.

Immanuel Quickley was a bit of a mystery box. Fans love him. He plays with irresistible bravado and fearlessness. He also operates the pick-and-roll with a staccato tempo that can be hard for teammates to gauge. Just when you think Quickley has daylight to probe further, he pulls up for an ultra-long floater; only about 10% of Quickley's shots have come at the rim, near the bottom for his position. He is sometimes shoot-first to a fault.

But New York has handed Quickley more responsibility with Kemba Walker and Derrick Rose gone, and he has perked up his playmaking. Over the last five weeks, Quickley is averaging 21 points, 7.4 rebounds (wow!), and 5.4 dimes per 36 minutes on 47% shooting -- including 43% from deep. He has a tidy 2.85-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio in that span.

He's passing more often out of the pick-and-roll, per Second Spectrum, and you can see him manipulating defenses:


Portland Trail Blazers -- what's left of them -- scrunch Jericho Sims from both sides. Quickley wants to hit him anyway. He gazes at one of New York's shooters -- it's hard to tell which one -- and that eye fake freezes both help defenders. Boom.

Quickley would not have made that pass three months ago, and might not have even thought to try it.

For the season, the Knicks have scored 1.01 points per possession directly out of Quickley pick-and-rolls -- 49th among 215 guys who have run 100-plus such plays, per Second Spectrum.

I'm still not sure what Quickley is: backup or starter, point guard or off-guard, or some combination depending on team context. He's shooting below 40% for the second straight season.

But he's only 22, and his improved passing bodes well for him grasping a real role on a good team someday. The Knicks are plus-6.1 points per 100 possessions with Quickley on the floor, and minus-6.7 when he sits. Quickley may not even rank among the top five reasons for the maddening gap between New York's miserable starters and go-go bench, but he's doing something right.
 

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We don't have the assets to trade up...at least not to the point it would be worth it.

But I swear if we move up to the top 4, we better get him

Ivey/RJ would be the type of backcourt that can take over games. I agree that I don't see how we can trade up without giving up a lot, but that combo is tantalizing.
 

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Ivey/RJ would be the type of backcourt that can take over games. I agree that I don't see how we can trade up without giving up a lot, but that combo is tantalizing.
If we got up to the 7th pick and Orlando got the 3rd or 4th pick, i think we’d be able to pull off a pick swap for Ivey. Something like Obi, 7 and the Mavs 23 pick can move us up to draft a player they shouldn’t really be too interested in. But at 10-12? We’ve yet again fukked ourselves out of top end talent winning meaningless games forcing minutes to meaningless vets.
 

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Listening to Windhorst podcast, they discussed the Suns future payroll with a super likely Devin Booker super max coming soon, having just paid Mikal Bridges 22 plus million a year and Cam Johnson probably going to command close to 20 million a year, they might decide to let Ayton walk since all his replacements have seemed to perform just fine. This might be our best case scenario for resigning Mitch. Cause if Ayton is available Detroit would throw him the entire bag. And im not confident Charlotte wants to overpay for Mitch.
 

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If we got up to the 7th pick and Orlando got the 3rd or 4th pick, i think we’d be able to pull off a pick swap for Ivey. Something like Obi, 7 and the Mavs 23 pick can move us up to draft a player they shouldn’t really be too interested in. But at 10-12? We’ve yet again fukked ourselves out of top end talent winning meaningless games forcing minutes to meaningless vets.

Portland seems fully invested in that tank. I could see catching as low as 8th with San Antonio though and I think the scenario you describe would be in play from there.

Honestly, we just deserve some damned lottery luck for a change. There should be a special exception made when a team exclusively falls in the draft lottery for nearly 20 straight lotteries.
 
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