"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[Wargames]

So the most annoying thing about this season is now that they are out of the hunt, not Thibs is starting to experiment.

Like putting Randle at Center and surrounding him with shooters. Staggering RJ and Randle so one of them are always on the floor. He maintains his 10 man rotation, but if he experimented and tried to either match or force mismatches some of the youth could get more minutes.

 

[storyteller]

So the most annoying thing about this season is now that they are out of the hunt, not Thibs is starting to experiment.

Like putting Randle at Center and surrounding him with shooters. Staggering RJ and Randle so one of them are always on the floor. He maintains his 10 man rotation, but if he experimented and tried to either match or force mismatches some of the youth could get more minutes.

And he let IQ and Burks both go back to playing more possessions off ball by having RJ take the ball up with starters and Deuce do the same for the second-unit. Deuce wasn't even running many plays, but IQ got to receive the ball on a swing pass which he'd been doing exclusively for a season and a half. I don't think it's a fluke that both guys are coming to life now.

 

[Collateral]

Knicks are obviously gonna be sellers in the offseason. Who would y’all want to trade for realistically?

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Knicks are obviously gonna be sellers in the offseason. Who would y’all want to trade for realistically?

Saying the Knicks are going to be sellers is tough to believe. The Knicks are going to try and acquire a starting Point guard and a possible stretch 5 to replace Mitchell Robinson.

The only veterans that are in danger of leaving are Kemba Walker, Nerlens Noel and Possibly Evan Fournier due to the competition for his spot (RJ Barrett going back to the 2, Quinten Grimes or Cam Reddish).

 

[Collateral]

Saying the Knicks are going to be sellers is tough to believe. The Knicks are going to try and acquire a starting Point guard and a possible stretch 5 to replace Mitchell Robinson.

The only veterans that are in danger of leaving are Kemba Walker, Nerlens Noel and Possibly Evan Fournier due to the competition for his spot (RJ Barrett going back to the 2, Quinten Grimes or Cam Reddish).

John Wall and Thibs could work Definitely need a wing. I say sellers because Randle, DRose, Taj, etc gotta go. And they could still trade Kemba and Cam Reddish at the draft or something. Robinson is way too injury prone for my liking so you need some back up bigs for insurance. Need a lot of front court help

 

[Cory MBA]

No more aging point guards with bad knees and max contracts.

 

[storyteller]

Knicks are obviously gonna be sellers in the offseason. Who would y’all want to trade for realistically?

I think they'll try to dump salary and make a real play for Brunson. So they'd be selling Burks and Noel let's say, to have 20 million dollars to offer him starting. If they played it all perfectly, I believe they could use up the cap for Brunson and then try to convince Mitch to sign for the full MLE (something like 10 or 11 million a season, so it's just below his max possible salary)...but I'm not positive the cap rules work that way. I'm just spitballing.

 

[Wargames]

Knicks are obviously gonna be sellers in the offseason. Who would y’all want to trade for realistically?

Maybe a sign and trade for Bamba if Mitch walks. Outside chance they still do that sign and trade if Mitch stays, because they got the MLE to burn.

John Wall and Thibs could work Definitely need a wing. I say sellers because Randle, DRose, Taj, etc gotta go. And they could still trade Kemba and Cam Reddish at the draft or something. Robinson is way too injury prone for my liking so you need some back up bigs for insurance. Need a lot of front court help

I don’t think it works in any capacity besides them wanting to do a reset now and maybe as a pick swap. Especially if they don’t plan on keeping Mitch.

So from a math perspective if say they trade Kemba, Burks, Fournier, and Noel to the Rockets, and maybe the do a pick swap (because I don’t think the rockets do this for no incentive)

and they let Mitch walk and use the MLE on Bamba

Sims got to either be let go or get paid around 5 Mil

And RJ and Cam between the two of them take 38 starting salary as FA or through extension.

They do all that and they get around $20 Mil to spend in 2023. Which isn’t a lot. Basically to get what the spent on Fournier back would require them taking Wall or Westbrook, letting Mitch go and using the MLE for a replacement center, and RJ and Came both costing them less than 38 million.

That is the best case scenario for trading for John Wall…. Flipside they don’t do that and use the Taxpayer MLE two years in a row. Also potentially keep Mitch it’s the same salary but they are stuck with the vets. And the transition takes longer.

Which is where it gets funky. If they don’t make space this summer… it’s pointless to make space unless they move Randle. RJ and Cams caphold is 40 Million.

 

[Collateral]

Maybe a sign and trade for Bamba if Mitch walks. Outside chance they still do that sign and trade if Mitch stays, because they got the MLE to burn.



I don’t think it works in any capacity besides them wanting to do a reset now and maybe as a pick swap. Especially if they don’t plan on keeping Mitch.

So from a math perspective if say they trade Kemba, Burks, Fournier, and Noel to the Rockets, and maybe the do a pick swap (because I don’t think the rockets do this for no incentive)

and they let Mitch walk and use the MLE on Bamba

Sims got to either be let go or get paid around 5 Mil

And RJ and Cam between the two of them take 38 starting salary as FA or through extension.

They do all that and they get around $20 Mil to spend in 2023. Which isn’t a lot. Basically to get what the spent on Fournier back would require them taking Wall or Westbrook, letting Mitch go and using the MLE for a replacement center, and RJ and Came both costing them less than 38 million.

That is the best case scenario for trading for John Wall…. Flipside they don’t do that and use the Taxpayer MLE two years in a row. Also potentially keep Mitch it’s the same salary but they are stuck with the vets. And the transition takes longer.

Which is where it gets funky. If they don’t make space this summer… it’s pointless to make space unless they move Randle. RJ and Cams caphold is 40 Million.

I think that is a good plan, I don’t think Westbrook is a good fit and Brunson is most likely resigning with Dallas. Moving Randle should be priority #1 and all the cards should fall into play after that. The point is they have flexibility and options on different directions to take, they’re not fukked with no assets like the Lakers. Go all in on Deandre Ayton and maybe bring in John Wall if he declines that player option. This year might not be the best year to make drastic moves besides Randle, but if all that fails they gotta stay flexible and clear cap for the 2023 offseason when there’s better free agents

 

[Wargames]

I think they'll try to dump salary and make a real play for Brunson. So they'd be selling Burks and Noel let's say, to have 20 million dollars to offer him starting. If they played it all perfectly, I believe they could use up the cap for Brunson and then try to convince Mitch to sign for the full MLE (something like 10 or 11 million a season, so it's just below his max possible salary)...but I'm not positive the cap rules work that way. I'm just spitballing.

it does work that way mathematically and honestly they don’t have to give Mitch the Full MLE they have his bird rights and his cap hold is like 2 Million. They would lose the MLE the moment they went under cap to sign Brunson but could pay Mitch more just using his bird rights.

The issue is they had issues before finding a team to take them before. Also trading into cap space is complicated and they can’t even trade for expiring during the draft. I think Brunson is off the table.

 

[storyteller]

Maybe a sign and trade for Bamba if Mitch walks. Outside chance they still do that sign and trade if Mitch stays, because they got the MLE to burn.

Yeah, I think Bamba is the other name at play. I want that pick and pop big man for this roster and I think the FO's trade rumors all suggest the same.

Agreed that the time to act is this offseason. They could technically generate a lot of cap next offseason with all the options but cap holds come into play...unless they really did acquire Cam as trade bait for a second move which was a rumor that I don't believe.

 

[storyteller]

it does work that way mathematically and honestly they don’t have to give Mitch the Full MLE they have his bird rights and his cap hold is like 2 Million. They would lose the MLE the moment they went under cap to sign Brunson but could pay Mitch more just using his bird rights.

The issue is they had issues before finding a team to take them before. Also trading into cap space is complicated and they can’t even trade for expiring during the draft. I think Brunson is off the table.

That Spencer Dinwiddie move has me wondering what the hell they're thinking in Dallas. They brought in Brock Aller specifically to do all that tricky cap ish and the Brunson rumors came from multiple beat writers so I think it's got legs. Dallas would be nuts to let Brunson go, but I slept on the Bucks going cheap over Brogdon so I won't count it out until it's official.

 

[Wargames]

Yeah, I think Bamba is the other name at play. I want that pick and pop big man for this roster and I think the FO's trade rumors all suggest the same.

Agreed that the time to act is this offseason. They could technically generate a lot of cap next offseason with all the options but cap holds come into play...unless they really did acquire Cam as trade bait for a second move which was a rumor that I don't believe.

That’s the real issue. For them to move these vets for anyone but Wall or Westbrook teams are going to want some of the youth. It’s a bitter pill to swallow.

A John Wall trade would be easier than trading for Brunson and possibly more realistic.

 

[Derek Lee]

Randle shutting all of us up

salute this man

Shut up

 

[dave]

Shut up