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Dozens of hostages 'killed' in Algeria - Africa - Al Jazeera English


Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in eastern Algeria after the military launched a rescue attempt, according to the group holding the hostages.

Thursday's reported deaths came a day after dozens of foreigners and Algerians were taken hostage by heavily armed fighters near the In Amenas gas field.

The fighters said they seized the hostages in retaliation for Algeria letting France use its airspace to launch operations against rebels in northern Mali , but security experts said the raid appeared to have been planned well in advance.

Algeria's Communication Minister Mohamed Said confirmed that hostages had been killed or wounded in an ongoing army assault.

"The operation is ongoing," he said, speaking on national television in the first official comment on the rescue operation.

The minister said "several people" were killed or wounded, adding that an "important number" of hostages were freed.

The spokesman for the Masked Brigade, which had claimed responsibility for the abductions on Wednesday, told Mauritanian ANI news agency that the deaths were a result of a government helicopter attack on a convoy transporting hostages and kidnappers.

The official Algerian APS news agency said nearly 600 Algerian workers and four foreign hostages - two Britons, a Frenchman and a Kenyan - had been freed during the operation.

The Irish foreign ministry said an Irish man had also been freed.

Refusal to negotiate

The Masked Brigade spokesman said Abou el-Baraa, the leader of the kidnappers, was among those killed in the helicopter attack. He said the fighters would kill the rest of their captives if the army approached.

Algeria has refused to negotiate with what it says is a band of about 20 fighters.



Algerian Interior Minister Daho Ould dismissed theories that the fighters had come from Libya, 100km away, or from Mali, more than 1,000km away. He said the well-armed gunmen were from Algeria itself, operating under orders from Moktar Belmoktar, al-Qaeda's strongman in the Sahara.

ANI, which has been in constant contact with the al-Qaeda-affiliated kidnappers, said seven hostages were still being held: two Americans, three Belgians, one Japanese and one British citizen.

Norwegians, French, Romanian and Malaysian citizens were also among those taken hostage.

The White House said it believed Americans were among the hostages and was concerned about reports of loss of life.

"This is an ongoing situation and we are seeking clarity," spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

Japanese critical

Japan's Vice Foreign Minister Minoru Kiuchi, who is now in Algeria, urged the Algerian government to put an "immediate end" to the military operation.

Britain was not given prior notice of the Algerian government operation to release hostages and would have
preferred to have been informed, Prime Minister David Cameron's spokesman said.

A Briton was among two people killed on Wednesday, after fighters launched an ambush of a bus carrying employees from the gas plant to the nearby airport.

The In Amenas gas field is jointly operated by British oil giant BP, Norway's Statoil and Algeria's Sonatrach.

France launched a major offensive against the rebel group Ansar al-Dine in Mali on January 11 to prevent them from advancing on the capital, Bamako.

Algeria had long warned against military intervention against the rebels, fearing the violence could spill over the border.

Al Jazeera's Paul Brennan, following the hostage situation from London, said Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika has allied himself with the West in the fight against al-Qaeda.

"As recently as last year it seemed that he was turning the last stronghold of al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the mountains up in the north where the Berber people are natives, against those Arabs that have been coming in from outside," he said. "The Algerian authorities have been enjoying significant successes in targeting al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb leaders."



Basically said "we don't give a fukk how many crackers you take hostages, we will kill every single one of you AND them" :pacspit:

Going back to the old school way of warfare.
 

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Called in the gunships on a caravan of hostages?


Only in Africa maybe Russia

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Called in the gunships on a caravan of hostages?


Only in Africa maybe Russia

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Grand Mosque Seizure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some of the background to this is :dead:

The Saudi Special Security Force, which is the equivalent of a special weapons assault team (SWAT), was organized in response to the poor performance of the National Guard during the Grand Mosque seizure.Pakistani and French security forces retook the shrine in a battle which left approximately 250 dead, and 600 wounded. Pakistani and French troops reportedly entered the Grand Mosque and flooded it with water; applied electricity to it; and electrocuted most of the rebels. Reports also said that paralyzing gas was used. The highly trained French GIGN counter-terrorist commandos led the assault after receiving an instant conversion to Islam by Saudi religious leaders. The Pakistanis and French were called in after poor results from assaults by the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG). 127 were reported to have been killed.

With casualties climbing, Saudi forces drilled holes into the courtyard and dropped grenades into the rooms below, indiscriminately killing many hostages but driving the remaining rebels into more open areas where they could be picked off by sharpshooters. More than two weeks after the assault began, the surviving rebels finally surrendered.
 

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I've never even heard of this! thanks you


Instandly reminded me of Beslan school hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And the Moscow Theater Siege where they pumped gas in.


Interesting that Islamists were involved in all..


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I'm pretty well read in 3rd world military history (mostly b/c it gives a good example of how western equipment actually works when pitted against each other) there's a bunch of LOL-worthy instances of complete military ineptitude. Stuff like this:

Battle of Longewala - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the Iran-Iraq war the Iranians would tie children together with ropes and have them human wave the Iraqi lines.

All the specifics from the Bush Wars in Africa are pretty hilarious reads as well, iirc during the Rhodesian bush war the Rhodesian Light Infantry had a kill ratio of over 60 to 1 against the communists:

The British disgraced themselves once and for all by refusing even to sell prosthetics to Rhodesia when a young farm girl lost her legs to a terrorist mine, planted by fanatics who were cheered on by those same Brits. Russian ships jammed Rhodesian communications and broke the daily "shackle" codes used by the military in the field so quickly that it was assumed that no comms were really secure. Rhodesia had few friends and the embargo began to bite deeply early on. The fight however, continued – the Rhodesians were anything but quitters.

By the mid seventies thousands of well organized terrorists were staging in Mozambique and Zambia, so called "front line" states. That translates into "countries where communist dictators had already seized control." I "visited" the camps in Mozambique myself and can testify to the truth of that statement. The camps in Zambia had a prior visit from a battle group best remembered by the call sign of the tactical air commander, "Green Leader." That was the operation that could have, and perhaps should have served as a model to the US when we attacked Afghanistan.

Terrorists were staging in Zambia and routinely crossing the Zambezi to murder and maim Rhodesian citizens. (Again – I am an eyewitness having been engaged in a rather nasty affair on the Zambezi where we knocked out a terrorist group coming across the river from Zambia) Zambia could have legitimately been construed as an enemy and the Rhodesians could have readily bombed Lusaka. They did not – they were able to focus on fighting their real enemies who were the ZIPRA and ZANLA terrorists cadres so beloved of the leftist media in Peking, Moscow, Britain, and America.

The Rhodesians had a major advantage over the United States, however, when it came to fighting terrorists. They weren’t concerned for world opinion or coalitions and had no thoughts of "nation building," those folks were focused! Plus, the government was actually responding to the will of the people for if there ever was a government that was "of the people, by the people, for the people," it was that of the Rhodesians. It makes a difference when you are defending the people as opposed to defending some broadly defined "national interest" that somehow never seems to benefit anyone you know.

The Rhodesians were wonderful improvisers and put together an assault group with obsolete jet fighter-bombers, helicopters, and old Dakotas for the paratroops. The forces used for raids into host countries were extremely lean by modern standards. Less than a hundred paratroopers and some SAS types plus air force personnel, some medics and engineers. They had learned to coordinate their forces very smoothly and bring overwhelming force against a specific target. The strike force operated quite similarly to American Special Forces in Afghanistan as far as tactics go – small groups of well-trained men with a lot more radios and machine guns than normal infantry. That got them a lot of bang for the buck.

So one bright day these Rhodesians brought death to the terrorists in Zambia without harming a single Zambian civilian or soldier, and they did it with incredible panache. How? Try this on for size:

"Tower, this is Green Leader, this is the Rhodesian Air Force. We are now in control of your airspace and no plane will land or take off until further notice. Planes in the air will circle in a holding pattern that we will assign. We will give you further instructions as we proceed." Green Leader was the code name of the Rhodesian air commander who simply took control of the airspace over Lusaka and despite the Zambians having an air force that included Mig 17 interceptors (the equal of the Rhodesian’s Hawker Hunters) those folks got real wise real fast and froze in place. Green Leader and his small force of Hunters effectively neutralized the Zambian armed forces for several long critical hours. (For a live transmission of this communication, there is actually a tape of it available on the web.)

Meantime, back at the terrorist base camps, Armageddon. First, "Golf" Bombs (homemade concussion bombs – very powerful) to daze those already dozy characters, more strafing and bombing, then airborne folks came in on helicopters with light infantry weapons to finish them off. Paratrooper "Stop Groups" were dropped further out from the target area and sealed off escape from the base camps. Few terrorists were able to escape. Thousands of "Terrs" as they were called, would butcher no more civilians and chant no more communist slogans. They had been wiped out without ever raising any effective resistance at all. When the raid was complete, tons of firearms and munitions were airlifted back to Rhodesia or blown up. When the assault forces had completed their work, Green Leader calmly and politely returned control of the Zambian air space back to Zambia!

Zambian zeal for the terrorist cause was somewhat dampened by this, as one might well imagine! Bombing the Zambians would have made them angry and they would have called for revenge and it could well have spiraled into that many more deaths. Instead, the Zambian government got a revealing look at their own vulnerability without suffering the indignity (and casualties) of an all-out attack. As for the terrorists? They were the devil’s problem after that.

It should be noted that photographs of the camps and the weaponry seized there were made available to the western press but were ignored. The LA Times spoke of an attack by Rhodesian mercenaries on a refugee camp.
 

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If a predominantly white government was responsible this thread would be "cac this" and "cac that", but yall seem to think this is funny?
 

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If a predominantly white government was responsible this thread would be "cac this" and "cac that", but yall seem to think this is funny?

nah i think people realize that what happened is fuked up it's just that the total disregard for ALL life was so got dam palpable that it, in a very morbid sense, was extremely funny.

Americans Hostage rescue team:
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Japanese:
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Typcial hostage rescue command center:
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Algerian Rescue team:
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oh & LMMFAO at "instant conversion to islam" ... I assume so as not to offend Allah by stepping into the temple as an infidel after pumping water into it in order to electrocute everyone and tossing grenades at terrorist and hostages alike.
 
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