DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Series (Disney +)

[Return of the Jedi]

HBO's The Penguin is a slightly different issue. There is no rights issue (as WB/DC owns all of the rights to Batman).

However, WB/DC believe that Batman is only suitable for animation or the big screen (live-action film). Batman appearing in a live-action show would "cheapen Batman's brand".

I feel like the point I’m trying to make is going over your head. We understand that the studio politics are stopping these characters from appearing on television shows.

In-universe, it’s a glaring pothole. Spider-Man would not ignore Mayor Kingpin running amok. Batman would not ignore Penguin orchestrating a Falcone Civil War

 

[Return of the Jedi]

Is this show in the MCU timeline or the Netflix timeline? If it's a continuation of the Netflix show, then it makes sense why Spiderman isn't there.

The Netflix shows are retconned as MCU canon. Matt Murdock appeared in Spider-Man No Way Home, Kingpin referenced Spider-Man in his lil’ inaugural address, and Leeroy tries to say a Skrull stole the snack from the bodega, not him

 

[Supa]

Let's be honest.

This show is separate from the MCU again.

Thunderbolts has The Sentry attacking/destroying NYC in the same City which Kingpin in the mayor.

Kingpin now has a private Army and enacted Martial Law which would force Sam Wilson to get involved.

What Kingpin did in the last episode was way too big to be contained to Daredevil characters/street level. It was essentially what Bane did in The Dark Knight Rises.

I never get why people make this argument. This is Daredevil's show so Daredevil has to solve the problem.

No one should be asking why the Avengers didn't show up. We don't need Thor and Iron Man taking on Kingpin because he cut the power off.

Even in the comics there's events that didn't involve other Marvel characters. The Avengers aren't stepping into X Men storylines every time Magneto makes a move. The X Men don't step in when Kang and Ultron pop up. Yes they're in the same universe but their stories wouldn't be interesting if every hero came in to help.

Might as well consolidate all the heroes into one comic and have them take on all threats. All the street level heroes might as well retire because Thor could just round up all their villains and be done with it.

 

[Jazzy B.]

I never get why people make this argument. This is Daredevil's show so Daredevil has to solve the problem.

Because Kingpin now has a damn army with it's own military base and has enacted Martial Law in the same City which other superheroes reside in


If this is part of a shared universe then other superheroes are getting involved. That's why Punisher is IN this show and even has his OWN storyline based on the actions of Kingpin.

It was a bad move to do this storyline on a TV show because they're not gonna be able to get ALL the required characters to crossover. If you make Kingpin mayor and then give him a private army that's designed to target superhero vigilantes you do it in an actual movie where you can get everybody.

This is why the original show kept Daredevil and Kingpin to Hell's Kitchen. Because what they do there can be ignored because it's contained. Now Kingpin runs an entire City but it only effects Daredevil in a so called shared universe?

 

[CHICAGO]

I never get why people make this argument. This is Daredevil's show so Daredevil has to solve the problem.

No one should be asking why the Avengers didn't show up. We don't need Thor and Iron Man taking on Kingpin because he cut the power off.

Even in the comics there's events that didn't involve other Marvel characters. The Avengers aren't stepping into X Men storylines every time Magneto makes a move. The X Men don't step in when Kang and Ultron pop up. Yes they're in the same universe but their stories wouldn't be interesting if every hero came in to help.

Might as well consolidate all the heroes into one comic and have them take on all threats. All the street level heroes might as well retire because Thor could just round up all their villains and be done with it.

Because Kingpin now has a damn army with it's own military base and has enacted Martial Law in the same City which other superheroes reside in


If this is part of a shared universe then other superheroes are getting involved. That's why Punisher is IN this show and even has his OWN storyline based on the actions of Kingpin.

It was a bad move to do this storyline on a TV show because they're not gonna be able to get ALL the required characters to crossover. If you make Kingpin mayor and then give him a private army that's designed to target superhero vigilantes you do it in an actual movie where you can get everybody.

BOTH MADE GOOD POINTS



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[Ironman]

They should've had another show specifically designed to take place after Daredevil to justify a crossover. Or a Disney movie that could bring in the street level heroes because obviously they won't do too much for season 2 as it's still a Daredevil show. A spinoff should've been geared up like Defenders was.

 

[King Static X]

I feel like the point I’m trying to make is going over your head. We understand that the studio politics are stopping these characters from appearing on television shows.

In-universe, it’s a glaring pothole. Spider-Man would not ignore Mayor Kingpin running amok. Batman would not ignore Penguin orchestrating a Falcone Civil War

The point isn't going over my head. I understand exactly.

However, I was just explaining that there's a slight difference in why Spider-Man isn't showing up in Daredevil vs. why Batman isn't showing up in The Penguin.

 

[Jazzy B.]

BOTH MADE GOOD POINTS



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I thought the vigilante task force was just like 10-15 cops but when they showed the base, army and trucks this whole thing moved way past just being only Daredevil's issue

 

[CHICAGO]

I thought the vigilante task force was just like 10-15 cops but when they showed the base, army and trucks this whole thing moved way past just being only Daredevil's issue

YEA, WHEN THEY KILLED
ALL OF THOSE DUDES IN MATTS
APARTMENT I THOUGHT THAT
WAS BASICALLY EVERYONE IN THE TASK FORCE
EXCEPT FOR THE MAIN DUDE
WHO TOOK THE STAND IN
THE WHITE TIGER TRIAL...

TURN AROUND AND SEE AN
UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF THEM
WHEN FRANK PULLED UP
AND GOT CAUGHT.

LOOKS LIKE THIS nikka
GOT MOST OF THE POLICE FORCE
ON BOARD.



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[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Is this show in the MCU timeline or the Netflix timeline? If it's a continuation of the Netflix show, then it makes sense why Spiderman isn't there.

The show is in the MCU. They even had dude from 'Ms. Marvel' up in there and made references to different things going on

 

[Supa]

Because Kingpin now has a damn army with it's own military base and has enacted Martial Law in the same City which other superheroes reside in


If this is part of a shared universe then other superheroes are getting involved. That's why Punisher is IN this show and even has his OWN storyline based on the actions of Kingpin.

It was a bad move to do this storyline on a TV show because they're not gonna be able to get ALL the required characters to crossover. If you make Kingpin mayor and then give him a private army that's designed to target superhero vigilantes you do it in an actual movie where you can get everybody.

This is why the original show kept Daredevil and Kingpin to Hell's Kitchen. Because what they do there can be ignored because it's contained. Now Kingpin runs an entire City but it only effects Daredevil in a so called shared universe?

You're disappointed because you didn't get Iron Man vs The Con Edison Man

If Thanos and Ultron were walking through Manhattan you'd have point. This is Kingpin and nothing he's doing should be out of Daredevil's capacity to handle. You're treating the power going out in Manhattan for a little while and a ban on vigilantes like a cosmic level threat. This is lightwork that doesn't require a crossover event.

Y'all take these comic stories too literally. Sharing the same universe doesn't mean they need to make an appearance. There'd be no character struggle if more heroes outside of this assisted. The point is to see Daredevil fight through this. He has Punisher to help because he's another street level hero who interacts with DD. Frank and an injured DD took out a bunch Kingpin's "army" already. They'll fight them off and eventually expose Kingpin's scheme at Red Hook. Money laundering isn't an Avengers level that.

You're also playing dumb by acting like you don't understand the business end of it. They're not bringing RDJ, Evans, etc into a TV show. We all know that going in so bytching about not seeing them is a problem of your own creation and not a narrative issue.

 

[beenz]

right when this shyt got good......BAM, the season ends.

only got one episode of the punisher doing shyt and 3 episodes of daredeviling.

fisk is clearly trump with a bald head and white suit.

 

[Jazzy B.]

If Thanos and Ultron were walking through Manhattan you'd have point. This is Kingpin and nothing he's doing should be out of Daredevil's capacity to handle. You're treating the power going out in Manhattan for a little while and a ban on vigilantes like a cosmic level threat. This is lightwork that doesn't require a crossover event.

Why do you keep ignoring that Kingpin is the mayor of an entire city, has a private army (with it's own military base) patrolling the ENTIRE city and has enacted Martial Law?


Why are you ignoring that the show itself told you it's too much for Daredevil to handle by having the character RUN AWAY and say "I need an army" after being told by another character "you'll die if you go there and fight"


You're sounding DUMB right now

Y'all take these comic stories too literally. Sharing the same universe doesn't mean they need to make an appearance. There'd be no character struggle if more heroes outside of this assisted. The point is to see Daredevil fight through this. He has Punisher to help because he's another street level hero who interacts with DD. Frank and an injured DD took out a bunch Kingpin's "army" already. They'll fight them off and eventually expose Kingpin's scheme at Red Hook. Money laundering isn't an Avengers level that.

You keep bringing up the comics which has NOTHING to do with what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the MCU and ONLY the mcu.

If Daredevil is part of shared universe you don't do a large scale plot line which would force other established character's to get involved and effect them unless you can actually get the actors required. This is what the Netflix shows understood.

You're also playing dumb by acting like you don't understand the business end of it. They're not bringing RDJ, Evans, etc into a TV show. We all know that going in so bytching about not seeing them is a problem of your own creation and not a narrative issue

The only one playing dumb is you and I'm not the only one saying it doesn't make any sense for no other heroes to be getting involved after Kingpin's actions which are way above anything he did from the first 3 seasons the same with his level of power.

 

[jj23]

Instead of suspending belief and enjoying the show, we are asking why other superheroes aren't available in a fukking made up universe.

Thecoli stays undefeated.

For me this season surpasses all but the first season of daredevil.

 

[Lootpack]

Watching Lil Tony Soprano become Kingpin’s somewhat of an understudy was something to see.

Daniel next season: “You know who my fawtha is?”

Give me ALL the gabagool.