Dantoni Already Flipping Out

[El Jefe]

did he really say 30 minutes like that was enuff ???

has he been watchin tapes of their games n losses this season ... MD has no tolerance for D .. i dunno why managment just say we are going to have to hire a defensive coach like in football and get them to coach the lakers every single day tl they get a system down lol

mda needs to sit in on those sessions also

 

[Broke Wave]

Phil comes out smelling like a rose in all of this. Even though he got his shyt pushed in badly with superior talent the last time we saw him, people are assuming he'd be unbeatable with the current Lakers roster.

Phil went to three straight finals with far inferior talent and basically dominated the league

 

[Bilz]

did he really say 30 minutes like that was enuff ???

has he been watchin tapes of their games n losses this season ... MD has no tolerance for D .. i dunno why managment just say we are going to have to hire a defensive coach like in football and get them to coach the lakers every single day tl they get a system down lol

mda needs to sit in on those sessions also

The stuff the Lakers aren't doing aren't things a professional NBA player should need to be "coached" about. It's not like teams study the Lakers defensive strategies and devise ways to beat them to death with X's and O's. Team just push the ball and pick and roll them to death because they're old, they're slow, and they don't rotate. They need to tackle the simple things before they should even waste their time listening to a defensive specialist.

 

[jfkennedy]

Kobe 'excited' about Mike D'Antoni hiring as Lakers coach

+1.

Looks like when they brought Phil's name up though he wanted him much more than D'Antoni.

Kobe still holding on to D'Antoni's playing days like it's translated to his coaching ability. He dropped the ball. Management dropped the ball. Seems like the only people who knew to hire Phil were the fans. fukk is up with this organization right now.

 

[Mac071415]

Phil went to three straight finals with far inferior talent and basically dominated the league

Kobe,shaq,horry,Fisher, is inferior talent? Lol. Oh yeah Lakers suck

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[Sam Peel]

they should have kept bickerstaff

 

[Bilz]

+1.

Looks like when they brought Phil's name up though he wanted him much more than D'Antoni.

Kobe still holding on to D'Antoni's playing days like it's translated to his coaching ability. He dropped the ball. Management dropped the ball. Seems like the only people who knew to hire Phil were the fans. fukk is up with this organization right now.

Yeah reading between the lines it does seem like Phil was his #1 choice but it also seems like he had the power to tell them "it's Phil or bust, don't even talk to anyone else until he turns it down"

I honestly don't think Phil would have been any better. What would have been his cures for where the team is ailing now? This team isn't showing any signs that they'd give more effort if they had an even longer leash.

 

[El Jefe]

The stuff the Lakers aren't doing aren't things a professional NBA player should need to be "coached" about. It's not like teams study the Lakers defensive strategies and devise ways to beat them to death with X's and O's. Team just push the ball and pick and roll them to death because they're old, they're slow, and they don't rotate. They need to tackle the simple things before they should even waste their time listening to a defensive specialist.

i dont buy that they r 2 old n 2 slow bs on D they just dont have it @ the moment where they r buying into a system and trusting each other or their coach .. they all ceem like they on a different path there is no common like minded goal on D

u act like the bulls are 1 of the most athletic and quik defensive teams in the league ..

if we talkin about todays speed of the game .. hinrich , hamilton , deng and boozer would hardly make a all defensive team ..

maybe deng a second or third at best

and this lakers team competed with the thunder for a whole series yes near end of games of a gruelin series they broke down and had lapses

but they didnt have trouble guardin probably 1 of the fastest teams in the league for a whole series but they fn up against teams like orlando and the cavs

cmon b

 

[Bilz]

Phil went to three straight finals with far inferior talent and basically dominated the league

Who were the superior teams that Kobe and the Lakers only beat because of Phil's coaching?

 

[Da Jungles]

Oh, so now y'all nikkas realizing Antoni is trash?

It's not Melo's fault anymore?

Lets just act like cats haven't been saying he was trash until now

Kobe,shaq,horry,Fisher, is inferior talent? Lol. Oh yeah Lakers suck

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He's talking about the Kobe, Gasol, Bynum "era"

 

[Broke Wave]

Who were the superior teams that Kobe and the Lakers only beat because of Phil's coaching?

Nobody got defeated but the squad purely through coaching. What Phil's coaching did was keep the team defense very high and consistent from November to June and define the rolls for the role players while limiting minutes, defusing Psycho bean and unleashing Psycho Bean, and generally being a good steward of a team. He solved problems in January... so he didn't have to do some magical coaching adjustment in the playoffs, the team was already running like a well oiled machine.

 

[Bilz]

i dont buy that they r 2 old n 2 slow bs on D they just dont have it @ the moment where they r buying into a system and trusting each other or their coach .. they all ceem like they on a different path there is no common like minded goal on D

u act like the bulls are 1 of the most athletic and quik defensive teams in the league ..

if we talkin about todays speed of the game .. hinrich , hamilton , deng and boozer would hardly make a all defensive team ..

maybe deng a second or third at best

and this lakers team competed with the thunder for a whole series yes near end of games of a gruelin series they broke down and had lapses

but they didnt have trouble guardin probably 1 of the fastest teams in the league for a whole series but they fn up against teams like orlando and the cavs

cmon b

Defense is all about effort. Boozer is trash defensively but if he is hustling and going to the spots on the floor he is supposed to go to, he can contribute even if he has no hope of blocking a shot or picking a guy's pocket. Simply standing where he needs to be will put him in position to catch a loose ball or prevent an opposing player from driving to the basket.

If the Lakers were younger and quicker, they'd be able to recover when they're out of position. That's why being old and slow is an issue when you're already playing lazy and clueless.

 

[jfkennedy]

Yeah reading between the lines it does seem like Phil was his #1 choice but it also seems like he had the power to tell them "it's Phil or bust, don't even talk to anyone else until he turns it down"

I honestly don't think Phil would have been any better. What would have been his cures for where the team is ailing now? This team isn't showing any signs that they'd give more effort if they had an even longer leash.

The one thing that'd be different is like they said on PTI today, Phil wasn't afraid to bring in a guy who knew defense, and have him run that. And apparently MDA's ego won't allow him to believe that maybe, just maybe, he needs more than a little help coaching defense.

I also don't think Phil would be afraid to modify the system to fit the players. It's obvious D'Antoni refuses to do so. Why else would Pau go from playing in the post, to the free-throw line and back?

I read the splits on Pau's post scoring two years ago to this year, and it's horrible. He went from like the 4th most effective post player to 27th, all b/c they have him shooting 18-foot jumpers.

 

[Bilz]

Nobody got defeated but the squad purely through coaching. What Phil's coaching did was keep the team defense very high and consistent from November to June and define the rolls for the role players while limiting minutes, defusing Psycho bean and unleashing Psycho Bean, and generally being a good steward of a team. He solved problems in January... so he didn't have to do some magical coaching adjustment in the playoffs, the team was already running like a well oiled machine.

These same issues were around when Phil was around too. The pick and roll defense and the point guard position were always huge points of contention.

Phil always had a few players playing at an elite level and a solid cast of roleplayers that could do different things, shoot the 3, defend the perimeter, etc.

 

[Broke Wave]

These same issues were around when Phil was around too. The pick and roll defense and the point guard position were always huge points of contention.

Phil always had a few players playing at an elite level and a solid cast of roleplayers that could do different things, shoot the 3, defend the perimeter, etc.

No team is perfect that's why they lost games... My point stands that Phil was good at enforcing repetition and creating a well oiled machine in LA. People knew their roles and there was very strong rotation on defense even from euro bench players like Sasha. Kobe was giving approx 26 6 5 in 33-35 minutes per game well rested and ready to go deep into the offs because of early on Pjax's good management of the team.