Dame Grease Told M.Reck: 50 Cent Had Ja Rule’s Chain At A Nas Studio Session

[Still FloW]

I think you may be confusing a restraining order with an Order of protection. But yes, I did say the Judge made her decision to issue the order of protection based on the information in those docs. Read the following passage below:

"A criminal court order of protection is issued as a condition of a defendant’s release and/or bail in a criminal case. A criminal case usually begins with a person’s arrest. The person charged with abuse is called a “defendant.” The victim of abuse is called the “complaining witness.” A criminal court order of protection may only be issued against a person who has been charged with a crime...The judge decides whether to issue the order of protection and what terms and conditions will be included in the order."

As you can see, the Judge doesn't need a request from the victim to assign an order of protection in a criminal court case. Interestingly enough, the Beef DVD made a similar point about the order of protection being court procedure too.

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[Perfectson]

I think you may be confusing a restraining order with an Order of protection. But yes, I did say the Judge made her decision to issue the order of protection based on the information in those docs. Read the following passage below:

"A criminal court order of protection is issued as a condition of a defendant’s release and/or bail in a criminal case. A criminal case usually begins with a person’s arrest. The person charged with abuse is called a “defendant.” The victim of abuse is called the “complaining witness.” A criminal court order of protection may only be issued against a person who has been charged with a crime...The judge decides whether to issue the order of protection and what terms and conditions will be included in the order."

As you can see, the Judge doesn't need a request from the victim to assign an order of protection in a criminal court case. Interestingly enough, the Beef DVD made a similar point about the order of protection being court procedure too.

1) no where does it state 50 cents or Curtis Jackson. It's peculiar that the accuser isn't fully named nor any witness. Perhaps in page 1.

2) i never said the judge needs to ask any one for an order of protection those are usually given out like hershey kisses but are meaningless for the most part.

3) at some point there would be signed document by 50 cents...not some affadavit which is really meaningless and holds very littel weight.

 

[AJaRuleStan]

1) no where does it state 50 cents or Curtis Jackson. It's peculiar that the accuser isn't fully named nor any witness. Perhaps in page 1.

There isn't anything peculiar going on except for whatever point you're trying to raise. And I don't mean that as a slight against you, I'm just not really sure what your actual point is.

Anyway, The accusers or better described as complaining witness are named. Curtis Jackson, Marvin Bernard, Peter Pottinger, and Giscard Rondeau. But not only are they named, their statements are explicitly outlined too. I could post page 1 if you want, but it would be redundant.

2) i never said the judge needs to ask any one for an order of protection those are usually given out like hershey kisses but are meaningless for the most part.

I never claimed you said the Judge needed to ask X for permission to issue an order of protection, I said the Judge can issue an order of protection without the complaining witness requesting one or factoring in their consent, which counters the point you raised about 50's signature being a requirement in this process.

not some affadavit which is really meaningless and holds very littel weight.

An affidavit isn't meaningless lol. Also I need to touch on something, there is an important contextual matter being played down by the way you're using the phrase affidavit that's been bothering me.

What you're looking at is the arrest affidavit, a written (sworn) statement of what the officer either witnessed or has investigated. It also can include witness statements, witness names and addresses, and other forms of evidence. I only highlight this because I feel the significance of the document is being trivialized, not just by you but by others itt.

 

[Perfectson]

There isn't anything peculiar going on except for whatever point you're trying to raise. And I don't mean that as a slight against you, I'm just not really sure what your actual point is.

Anyway, The accusers or better described as complaining witness are named. Curtis Jackson, Marvin Bernard, Peter Pottinger, and Giscard Rondeau. But not only are they named, their statements are explicitly outlined too. I could post page 1 if you want, but it would be redundant.


I never claimed you said the Judge needed to ask X for permission to issue an order of protection, I said the Judge can issue an order of protection without the complaining witness requesting one or factoring in their consent, which counters the point you raised about 50's signature being a requirement in this process.


An affidavit isn't meaningless lol. Also I need to touch on something, there is an important contextual matter being played down by the way you're using the phrase affidavit that's been bothering me.

What you're looking at is the arrest affidavit, a written (sworn) statement of what the officer either witnessed or has investigated. It also can include witness statements, witness names and addresses, and other forms of evidence. I only highlight this because I feel the significance of the document is being trivialized, not just by you but by others itt.

Actually post page 1 , how is that redundant if it's authentic?

If Jackson was cooperating a signature would be required period in the process

An affadavit is meaningless, most people recant stories or never follow through or never assist the investigations going forward and cases are dropped . Affadavit is just a way to get lawyers and bondsmen paid.

 

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[JayBaldacci]

The fact that it was a Nas session makes me belive it more honestly.

 

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[AJaRuleStan]

Actually post page 1 , how is that redundant if it's authentic?

I mean it's redundant in the sense that its just conveying the same information of page 2. But if a lack of 50's and Tony Yayo's first name is such an issue for you, then, as many others can surely vouch, I have no problem posting the paper work. I actually enjoy it!

And just to make sure you're satisfied, just like Judge Rosalyn Richter, Detective William Fitzgerald is a REAL person. Yes, the XXL magazine purposely lied when they said they called the Midtown North precinct and were told that an officer named William Fitzgerald doesn't exist. And yes, 50 himself also lied for years about this too, he got his ass beat by them murder inc boys, then ran to law enforcement for help.

If Jackson was cooperating a signature would be required period in the process

Are you saying that it is mandatory practice for the arrest affidavit of an officer to contain signatures for the witnesses he mentions in his affidavit?

 

[Perfectson]

I mean it's redundant in the sense that its just conveying the same information of page 2. But if a lack of 50's and Tony Yayo's first name is such an issue for you, then, as many others can surely vouch, I have no problem posting the paper work. I actually enjoy it!

And just to make sure you're satisfied, just like Judge Rosalyn Richter, Detective William Fitzgerald is a REAL person. Yes, the XXL magazine purposely lied when they said they called the Midtown North precinct and were told that an officer named William Fitzgerald doesn't exist. And yes, 50 himself also lied for years about this too.

Are you saying that it is mandatory practice for the arrest affidavit of an officer to contain signatures for the witnesses he mentions in his affidavit?

No I'm not saying that ,I'm saying an affadavit by an officer is a useless piece of paper in the course of a legal proceedings . And you already know that. Where is 50s testimony, where is his signed depo... what you have is a useless piece of paper .

 

[AJaRuleStan]

No I'm not saying that ,I'm saying an affadavit by an officer is a useless piece of paper in the course of a legal proceedings . And you already know that.

I'm sorry but you're just flat out wrong. First, specifically, an arrest affidavit isn't a useless piece of paper, it's literally the opposite. It is how the judge learns the details of the case, more importantly, its the central piece of information which the judge uses when deciding if an arrest warrant request meets the probable cause threshold. Read the following passage:

"To obtain a warrant, a police officer typically submits a written affidavit to a judge or magistrate. The affidavit, given under oath, must recite sufficient factual information to establish probable cause that a crime was committed and that the person named in the warrant committed it." - source

In point, I don't think you understand just how incredible stupid the claim that you're making is, just think carefully about the pure logic of it, without this document, which you argue is useless and meaningless, the Judge has no way to reason about anything regarding the case. In such an instance, arrest warrant won't be issued, therefore, no legal proceeding will be initiated, let alone an order of protection(it wouldn't even reach that stage anyway if arrest affidavit fails to persuade the judge).

Where is 50s testimony, where is his signed depo...

This is really annoying, you've said multiple times that you don't doubt the detective's report, but you keep following a line of inquiry that clearly suggest that you think the detective produced false statements about 50 cent. I'm going to try to pin you down on this one last time, do you think the officer lied in his arrest affidavit about what he said 50 told him?

 

[Perfectson]

I'm sorry but you're just flat out wrong. First, specifically, an arrest affidavit isn't a useless piece of paper, it's literally the opposite. It is how the judge learns the details of the case, more importantly, its the central piece of information which the judge uses when deciding if an arrest warrant request meets the probable cause threshold. Read the following passage:

"To obtain a warrant, a police officer typically submits a written affidavit to a judge or magistrate. The affidavit, given under oath, must recite sufficient factual information to establish probable cause that a crime was committed and that the person named in the warrant committed it." - source

In point, I don't think you understand just how incredible stupid the claim that you're making is, just think carefully about the pure logic of it, without this document, which you argue is useless and meaningless, the Judge has no way to reason about anything regarding the case. In such an instance, arrest warrant won't be issued, therefore, no legal proceeding will be initiated, let alone an order of protection(it wouldn't even reach that stage anyway if arrest affidavit fails to persuade the judge).



This is really annoying, you've said multiple times that you don't doubt the detective's report, but you keep following a line of inquiry that clearly suggest that you think the detective produced false statements about 50 cent. I'm going to try to pin you down on this one last time, do you think the officer lied in his arrest affidavit about what he said 50 told him?

Thanks for the reply and being civil.


There's what's written and what actually happens. Unfortunately, you're stuck in the academia of it all. As i stated before, an affidavit is just a paper to get bondsmen and lawyers money, i stated that yet you ignore it. NO one has been tried and prosecuted solely on an affidavit, many times the affidavit is never referenced again in any proceedings. It's meaningless, people get arrested all the time, every single one of the arrest has a police report aka affidavit and many of the times nothing happens as the D.A. decides (not on the affidavit) but actually evidence, depositions, and facts.

Where's the signed statement by Curtis Jackson? What you alluded to is that he snitched, i have no idea if the detective met with 50 , saw 50 in the hospital when he was drugged up recovering, or if he heard information second hand. You don't either and people lie all the time on affidavits, even cops, and there's literally no repercussions (meaning no one will pursue a false affidavit action) for it if the case was never tried.

 

[Perfectson]

I mean it's redundant in the sense that its just conveying the same information of page 2. But if a lack of 50's and Tony Yayo's first name is such an issue for you, then, as many others can surely vouch, I have no problem posting the paper work. I actually enjoy it!

And just to make sure you're satisfied, just like Judge Rosalyn Richter, Detective William Fitzgerald is a REAL person. Yes, the XXL magazine purposely lied when they said they called the Midtown North precinct and were told that an officer named William Fitzgerald doesn't exist. And yes, 50 himself also lied for years about this too, he got his ass beat by them murder inc boys, then ran to law enforcement for help.

Are you saying that it is mandatory practice for the arrest affidavit of an officer to contain signatures for the witnesses he mentions in his affidavit?

hang on

where in this affidavit , which i didn't actually read before does it say Curtis Jackson was a witness? In what you posted it specifically says it was Giscard who gave the affidavit.

This is pretty much open and close...you need to learn a bit more about how to read legal document mi yute.

No wonder you only posted the 2nd page initially Irv

 

[AJaRuleStan]

Thanks for the reply and being civil.


There's what's written and what actually happens. Unfortunately, you're stuck in the academia of it all. As i stated before, an affidavit is just a paper to get bondsmen and lawyers money, i stated that yet you ignore it. NO one has been tried and prosecuted solely on an affidavit, many times the affidavit is never referenced again in any proceedings. It's meaningless, people get arrested all the time, every single one of the arrest has a police report aka affidavit and many of the times nothing happens as the D.A. decides (not on the affidavit) but actually evidence, depositions, and facts.

You keep assisting that I was using this specific affidavit in some broad abstract sense, but I was very specific in identifying the exact context I was using it in, I said the arrest affidavit was used to inform the judge on the case, in other words, it was the determinant variable behind her decision to sign off on the order of protection. Without it, she has 0.0% knowledge to conclude anything about the case, let alone, probable cause, issuing an arrest warrant, or an order of protection. Like, I was very specific about that, go back to page 3 and read what I initially wrote. I wasn't speaking in any generalities.

Where's the signed statement by Curtis Jackson? What you alluded to is that he snitched, i have no idea if the detective met with 50 , saw 50 in the hospital when he was drugged up recovering, or if he heard information second hand. You don't either and people lie all the time on affidavits, even cops, and there's literally no repercussions (meaning no one will pursue a false affidavit action) for it if the case was never tried.

Okay, so you're of the opinion that the officer made false statements. Lol, getting you to say that was like trying to pull teeth. But at-least now the conversation can move forward.

Anyway, here is what I have to say on the question of false statements and the idea that there was a possible conspiracy to falsify statements for 50 cent in particular, Appeal to possibility is not an argument, its a fallacy. Yes, its possible that an officer can lie in his affidavit, but just because that's possible does not mean you, I, or anyone have free permission to conclude some information is false just because we don't like it. That's bias motivated reasoning, not evidence, which is going to be required if you're going to insinuate that this detective essentially put his career on the line to falsify statements for a rapper, who was a nobody at the time.

 

[Perfectson]

You keep assisting that I was using this specific affidavit in some broad abstract sense, but I was very specific in identifying the exact context I was using it in, I said the arrest affidavit was used to inform the judge on the case, in other words, it was the determinant variable behind her decision to sign off on the order of protection. Without it, she has 0.0% knowledge to conclude anything about the case, let alone, probable cause, issuing an arrest warrant, or an order of protection. Like, I was very specific about that, go back to page 3 and read what I initially wrote. I wasn't speaking in any generalities.



Okay, so you're of the opinion that the officer made false statements. Lol, getting you to say that was like trying to pull teeth. But at-least now the conversation can move forward.

Anyway, here is what I have to say on the question of false statements and the idea that there was a possible conspiracy to falsify statements for 50 cent in particular, Appeal to possibility is not an argument, its a fallacy. Yes, its possible that an officer can lie in his affidavit, but just because that's possible does not mean you, I, or anyone have free permission to conclude some information is false just because we don't like it. That's bias motivated reasoning, not evidence, which is going to be required if you're going to insinuate that this detective essentially put his career on the line to falsify statements for a rapper, who was a nobody at the time.

Order of protection is another bullshyt declaration along with an affadavit, it's meaningless. You ever hear of someone being hemmed up because they violated an "order of protection" lol. yes it can happen but it's so rare and the judge issues this 95% of the time if there's any sort of "victim".

I never stated the office made false statements. I clearly stated there's nothing signed by 50 cent so your VERY subjective declarations you've been making are based on nothing factual. period. I can throw out several scenarios which you cannot refute or argue against (though you're trying) because you have nothing factual to backup your statements.


You're over there grandstanding on a soap box talking about the ethics and integrity of a NYPD office ....did you check the forum you're on?? LMFAO

 

[Perfectson]

hang on

where in this affidavit , which i didn't actually read before does it say Curtis Jackson was a witness? In what you posted it specifically says it was Giscard who gave the affidavit.

This is pretty much open and close...you need to learn a bit more about how to read legal document mi yute.

No wonder you only posted the 2nd page initially Irv

@AJaRuleStan

wait a minute pleighboi - you aint' gonna just ignore this entire post. WTF? You gonna address this or nah, Irv?