:dahell:? & :dafuq:? "CBS News: Autism rates rise 30 percent in two-year span: CDC"

[Camile.Bidan]

With someone who deals with friends and family with children who have autism. Very little of the evidence falls to age. Most of the people( men) I know aren't old or haven't done marijuana, steroids. Plus Autism has alot to do with the primary Central Nervous System. Alot of the children have back issues, extremely low immune systems, sleeping issues and cognitive problems . If the case was age of father theory than Autism epidemic would have span generations. Plus most people who claim it was the vaccines notice their child physical and emotional responses hours and days after the shots.

Let me know when people want to have real discussion about what Formaldehyde and Mercury does to the system and the whole debate would shatter the myth behind vaccines.

Well, if a real disucussion means that you will refute a Scientic study from major Journal by presenting your own anecdote, then I don't anyone wants to have "real discussion".

 

[newworldafro]

Well, if a real disucussion means that you will refute a Scientic study from major Journal by presenting your own anecdote, then I don't anyone wants to have "real discussion".

I'm sorry.....but I can guarantee there is not enough older fathers to create a 30% increase in autism.... or what they are "labeling" ....... its either they calling more things autism in general.... or it is somethign in our environment or something being put in our bodies.....

The youtube video says a 30% increase in fathers over 40......but what percentage are fathers over 40.... ......what's that percentage?...I need to see that number then we can talk.....

 

[OneManGang]

CDC states "We have no clue where autism is coming from but it's not the vaccines" ....


Vaccines contain : Aluminum, Formaldehyde, Monosodium glutamate (MSG), Thimerosal :

Breh, I don't know too much of the composition of vaccines...there are too many to classify the makeup of them all and paint a huge brush like that....but those substances are literally found in 99% of the shyt we eat. Aluminum is one of the most abundant metals on earth and its toxicity is very low. MSG is created in low yields in the body. It's dangerous ya, but its not a problem unique to vaccines. Formaldehyde is also created and metabolized by the body in small amounts. Vaccines are more useful than dangerous...in fact there has been NO reputable data to even suggest they are causing autism. You seem to have your mind made up, but for anyone not really knowledgeable...vaccines are not inherently evil!

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I heard autistic kids were just misunderstood genius' like that kid Jacob Bennett.

 

[unit321]

I don't know, and neither do the doctors and scientists. Two children in your town could have received the same medications, eaten similar foods, drank the same tap water, and had the same parents while growing up. But one turned out autistic and the other kid turned out normal. Look at all the kids in Queens, NY. That tap water is awful. The whole borough didn't churn out autistic kids. Look at all the children who got shots for MMR, etc. Not all of them are autisitc.
I have some guesses. Mother was on a particular medication while the baby was still in the womb. And, that woman was not on that medication when she was carrying other children who didn't get autism. It may be something small like over-the-counter allergy medication. Or maybe she got food poisoning while eating out at a restaurant, or contracted a weird strain of the flu while pregnant.

 

[Brown_Pride]

My Psychology teacher was just talking about the rise of autism and she thinks its cause there just classifying it left and right

Anecdotal story time...
They wanted to "diagnos" my first born with autism because he didn't like loud noises...told them to gtfoh. He's in all the gifted programs now and very socially adjusted...

that being said....

We do put shyt in our bodies....
We do pollute our environment....

At some level we are the sum of these two factors and others so to pretend that where we live and what we eat wont affect us is short sighted. (not condemning anyone here just stating an opinion)

 

[Camile.Bidan]

I'm sorry.....but I can guarantee there is not enough older fathers to create a 30% increase in autism.... or what they are "labeling" ....... its either they calling more things autism in general.... or it is somethign in our environment or something being put in our bodies.....

The youtube video says a 30% increase in fathers over 40......but what percentage are fathers over 40.... ......what's that percentage?...I need to see that number then we can talk.....

Landmark 2014 Follow-up study to the Icelandic study that first gave solid evidence of the older father theory

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/h...ildren-of-older-parents-study-finds.html?_r=0

Children born to middle-aged men are more likely than their older siblings to develop any of a range of mental difficulties, including bipolar disorder, autism and schizophrenia, according to the most comprehensive study to date of paternal age and offspring mental health......


The new report, which looked at many mental disorders in Sweden, should inflame the debate, if not settle it, experts said. Men have a biological clock of sorts because of random mutations in sperm over time, the report suggests, and the risks associated with later fatherhood may be higher than previously thought. The findings were published on Wednesday in the journal JAMA Psychiatry.

Continue reading the main story
Related Coverage

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  Motherlode Blog: Older Fathers: Assessing the RisksFEB. 26, 2014
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  Father’s Age Is Linked to Risk of Autism and SchizophreniaAUG. 22, 2012

“This is the best paper I’ve seen on this topic, and it suggests several lines of inquiry into mental illness,” said Dr. Patrick F. Sullivan, a professor of genetics at the University of North Carolina, who was not involved in the research. “But the last thing people should do is read this and say, ‘Oh no, I had a kid at 43, the kid’s doomed.’ The vast majority of kids born to older dads will be just fine.”


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Original Icelandic Study

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v488/n7412/full/nature11396.html

Mutations generate sequence diversity and provide a substrate for selection. The rate of de novo mutations is therefore of major importance to evolution. Here we conduct a study of genome-wide mutation rates by sequencing the entire genomes of 78 Icelandic parent–offspring trios at high coverage. We show that in our samples, with an average father’s age of 29.7, the average de novo mutation rate is 1.20×10−8 per nucleotide per generation. Most notably, the diversity in mutation rate of single nucleotide polymorphisms is dominated by the age of the father at conception of the child. The effect is an increase of about two mutations per year. An exponential model estimates paternal mutations doubling every 16.5years. After accounting for random Poisson variation, father’s age is estimated to explain nearly all of the remaining variation in the de novo mutation counts. These observations shed light on the importance of the father’s age on the risk of diseases such as schizophrenia and autism.

 

[Lord Beasley]

stop drinking so much bottled water brehs

 

[Mr. Somebody]

They say it may be prescription medicine being taken during childbirth.

 

[thekingsmen]

Breh, I don't know too much of the composition of vaccines...there are too many to classify the makeup of them all and paint a huge brush like that....but those substances are literally found in 99% of the shyt we eat. Aluminum is one of the most abundant metals on earth and its toxicity is very low. MSG is created in low yields in the body. It's dangerous ya, but its not a problem unique to vaccines. Formaldehyde is also created and metabolized by the body in small amounts. Vaccines are more useful than dangerous...in fact there has been NO reputable data to even suggest they are causing autism. You seem to have your mind made up, but for anyone not really knowledgeable...vaccines are not inherently evil!

1. The Toxicity isn't low....that's always a myth.

http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/hydro/al.htm

2. A number of studies have suggested that formaldehyde causes asthma and/or exacerbates pre-existing respiratory conditions. Small, transient declines in lung function over the course of a work shift have been the most consistent findings. Formaldehyde is classified as a human carcinogen. Long-term exposure has been linked to nasal, lung, nasopharyngeal, and oropharyngeal cancer, with a possible relationship to brain cancer and leukemia. Ingestion causes bleeding, acidosis, and strictures of the gastrointestinal tract. GI toxicity can cause multi-organ damage and death.

Sounds wonderful.

3. You can metabolized many things into the body but the body has to release it when it's not being used but this stuff stays in it .

4. Do you really need proof....cause it looks more of the "mind being made up" is on your end.

 

[thekingsmen]

Landmark 2014 Follow-up study to the Icelandic study that first gave solid evidence of the older father theory

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/h...ildren-of-older-parents-study-finds.html?_r=0

Children born to middle-aged men are more likely than their older siblings to develop any of a range of mental difficulties, including bipolar disorder, autism and schizophrenia, according to the most comprehensive study to date of paternal age and offspring mental health......


The new report, which looked at many mental disorders in Sweden, should inflame the debate, if not settle it, experts said. Men have a biological clock of sorts because of random mutations in sperm over time, the report suggests, and the risks associated with later fatherhood may be higher than previously thought. The findings were published on Wednesday in the journal JAMA Psychiatry.

Continue reading the main story
Related Coverage

• 
  
  
  • 
    
    Motherlode Blog: Older Fathers: Assessing the RisksFEB. 26, 2014
  • 
    Father’s Age Is Linked to Risk of Autism and SchizophreniaAUG. 22, 2012

“This is the best paper I’ve seen on this topic, and it suggests several lines of inquiry into mental illness,” said Dr. Patrick F. Sullivan, a professor of genetics at the University of North Carolina, who was not involved in the research. “But the last thing people should do is read this and say, ‘Oh no, I had a kid at 43, the kid’s doomed.’ The vast majority of kids born to older dads will be just fine.”

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Original Icelandic Study

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v488/n7412/full/nature11396.html

This is a good study but doesn't come to explaining how this pertains to people who are young having children and the child become autistic. How many men in America are having kids at 70 and then compare it to those who are having children from 18-35. I doubt highly the kids who are getting autism have a father that looks like the old geezer in the pic.

 

[OneManGang]

1. The Toxicity isn't low....that's always a myth.

http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/hydro/al.htm

2. A number of studies have suggested that formaldehyde causes asthma and/or exacerbates pre-existing respiratory conditions. Small, transient declines in lung function over the course of a work shift have been the most consistent findings. Formaldehyde is classified as a human carcinogen. Long-term exposure has been linked to nasal, lung, nasopharyngeal, and oropharyngeal cancer, with a possible relationship to brain cancer and leukemia. Ingestion causes bleeding, acidosis, and strictures of the gastrointestinal tract. GI toxicity can cause multi-organ damage and death.

Sounds wonderful.

3. You can metabolized many things into the body but the body has to release it when it's not being used but this stuff stays in it .

4. Do you really need proof....cause it looks more of the "mind being made up" is on your end.

There are a couple things that you have to take into account when talking about aluminum toxicity....im not about to sit here and go through journal after journal like im writing a thesis...BUT when talking about a vaccine...what is the concentration of aluminum (or other metal) in the mixture...how often will you take the vaccine....and will it be in the body for a prolonged period of time? I'm not here to tell you formaldehyde is wonderful...because it isn't. You are correct....BUT again....it is natural metabolite in the body and is readily reduced to formic acid. The amount in a vaccine shouldnt be enough to send your system into toxic shock. I dont understand what you meant by point 3...maybe you can clarify. At the end of the day, based on the knowledge I have....the link b/w autism (which is such a broad category in the first place) and vaccines is non existent. I'm still learning though and any info you want to pass along I will take in as well as my pharmacy courses/experiences.

 

[thekingsmen]

There are a couple things that you have to take into account when talking about aluminum toxicity....im not about to sit here and go through journal after journal like im writing a thesis...BUT when talking about a vaccine...what is the concentration of aluminum (or other metal) in the mixture...how often will you take the vaccine....and will it be in the body for a prolonged period of time? I'm not here to tell you formaldehyde is wonderful...because it isn't. You are correct....BUT again....it is natural metabolite in the body and is readily reduced to formic acid. The amount in a vaccine shouldnt be enough to send your system into toxic shock. I dont understand what you meant by point 3...maybe you can clarify. At the end of the day, based on the knowledge I have....the link b/w autism (which is such a broad category in the first place) and vaccines is non existent. I'm still learning though and any info you want to pass along I will take in as well as my pharmacy courses/experiences.

1. Look at all the vaccines they children have to take up to 12 years old and then on top of the aluminum being used in everyday life.
2. If the acid doesn't leave your body, it's toxic. This is why people are having gastro issue
3. The link to autism to vaccinations is looking through massive amounts of data on both sides. It exist, you have to be willing to be open-minded enough.
4. Even with some Herbs, little usage is good, too much can cause damage.

 

[OneManGang]

1. Look at all the vaccines they children have to take up to 12 years old and then on top of the aluminum being used in everyday life.
2. If the acid doesn't leave your body, it's toxic. This is why people are having gastro issue
3. The link to autism to vaccinations is looking through massive amounts of data on both sides. It exist, you have to be willing to be open-minded enough.
4. Even with some Herbs, little usage is good, too much can cause damage.

Formic acid is readily eliminated as its created form the human body...i've never heard otherwise. Unless you are lacking in the necessary pathways to get rid of it it shouldn't be a problem. Again though, If you are ingesting too much of it or one of its precursors, then you can start to encounter the ill effects as the body cant get rid of it fast enough. I think your stance is that vaccines contribute to the higher concentrations and I'm not willing to make that leap. Can you link some REPUTABLE pieces from journals and such that claim of this link because i've never heard of it.

EDIT: Not pieces investigating the links...but actual smoking guns where ill effects have been proven

 

[Black Hans]

GMO foods? The "medication" people get from the pharmacy store? Who knows?