Cutlery for the Fukkery: The Official #TrumpSet vs #HillTron General Election Thread

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Comparing the age/sex group with the highest murder rates, to the murder rate of an entire nation, like 80 year old honduran grannies are gunning folks down. :usure:
:ehh: Given that the vast majority of Honduras population is under 30 that statistical filtering probably wont make much difference..only around 8% of the population is over 55



Including the time when blacks were literally counted as part of white people's worth? Including the time when the median black person was a slave with 0 or negative wealth?
Yes because at that time you forget there was no white middle class either..it was a wealthy elite few and everyone else close to zero...The Data is out there if you want to see for yourself

You are focusing on the gains rather than the gap
 

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:ehh: Given that the vast majority of Honduras population is under 30 that statistical filtering probably wont make much difference..only around 8% of the population is over 55




Yes because at that time you forget there was no white middle class either..it was a wealthy elite few and everyone else close to zero...The Data is out there if you want to see for yourself

You are focusing on the gains rather than the gap

The statistical filtering matters a lot. 3/8ths of Honduras is under 15. The 20-29 male component is 8.7% of the population. I guarantee you they're doing more than 9% of the killings.

Feel free to post a link to the economic data and I'll look at it tomorrow, but the income of the poor whites was normally supplemented by the fact that they had wealth in land.
 

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The statistical filtering matters a lot. 3/8ths of Honduras is under 15. The 20-29 male component is 8.7% of the population. I guarantee you they're doing more than 9% of the killings.
:wow: Error after error....You didnt even do simple addition right
20-24 |371 818 375 |696 747 514 |9,29%
25-29 |326 377 337 |526 663 903 |8,25%
looks like 20-29 is 17.54%

But as far as crime and homicide go we actually start way younger 15 years to 40 years is a far more useful range and if you do that most of the population is in that range


Feel free to post a link to the economic data and I'll look at it tomorrow,
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:francis: Why is something wrong with your fingers??
Poor white people didnt get many opportunities to own land until the westward expansion and the homestead acts of the 1860s and the fact that youre assuming any significant numbers of poor white had land before the civil war makes me wonder if your one of those Nikkas who has been trained by "hidden colors" DVDs.

but the income of the poor whites was normally supplemented by the fact that they had wealth in land
Land is NOT income..


Youve shown a propensity for misreading,poor analysis and substituting economic terms with completely different meanings....Yet the bottom line is youre still NOT proving your point

Trump is right..the black inner cities are high in crime and homicide and the wealth gap is the biggest its ever been in the history of the US....these are FACTS...no amount of pontificating and pretending can change this.
 

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:wow: Error after error....You didnt even do simple addition right

looks like 20-29 is 17.54%

I said 20 to 29 MALE

But as far as crime and homicide go we actually start way younger 15 years to 40 years is a far more useful range and if you do that most of the population is in that range

You're comparing it to the 20-29 MALE group of black men, that's why it matters.

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:francis: Why is something wrong with your fingers??
Poor white people didnt get many opportunities to own land until the westward expansion and the homestead acts of the 1860s and the fact that youre assuming any significant numbers of poor white had land before the civil war makes me wonder if your one of those Nikkas who has been trained by "hidden colors" DVDs.


Land is NOT income..

Land IS WEALTH, which was what that graph of yours measured. Not income. Wealth.


Youve shown a propensity for misreading,poor analysis and substituting economic terms with completely different meanings....Yet the bottom line is youre still NOT proving your point

Trump is right..the black inner cities are high in crime and homicide and the wealth gap is the biggest its ever been in the history of the US....these are FACTS...no amount of pontificating and pretending can change this.

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The failure of your logic is staggering...FAIL #1 When analyzing homicide rates the vast number will ALWAYS be caused by young men aged between 15-40..doesnt matter if its Chicago,Aleppo,Honduras wherever so you saying dumb shyt like honduran grandmothers arent getting killed doesnt matter because they arent doing the killing either...Got it now?

Second the wealth gap IS worse than its ever been...i dont see how anyone with common sense can dispute that..

Anyway if you care theres better data here..NOT FILTERED by age..and its still ugly...its not as bad as Honduras but its not far off

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/04/daily-chart-16
Two nations




AFTER an African-American called Freddie Gray died in police custody in Baltimore, rioters burned and looted the city’s poorer neighbourhoods. Protests against police brutality were held in other American cities, too.

Our interactive chart today imagines that black and white America were separate countries and compares them with the rest of the world. Black America is a violent place, and ruthlessly policed. Its citizens are more likely to be murdered than people in Namibia and more likely to be locked up than any group, anywhere.

I dont see the point of lying or pretending ....what good does it do?
 
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The failure of your logic is staggering...FAIL #1 When analyzing homicide rates the vast number will ALWAYS be caused by young men aged between 15-40..doesnt matter if its Chicago,Aleppo,Honduras wherever so you saying dumb shyt like honduran grandmothers arent getting killed doesnt matter because they arent doing the killing either...Got it now?

That's the damn point. You compared our killers to their entire country to show we're fukked up. Either compare our killers to their killers, or the black murder rate in total to theirs, not picking and choosing.

Second the wealth gap IS worse than its ever been...i dont see how anyone with common sense can dispute that..

Anyway if you care theres better data here..NOT FILTERED by age..and its still ugly...its not as bad as Honduras but its not far off

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/04/daily-chart-16

It's 20% of Honduras's rate, but okay.

As for wealth.
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Is shyt bad? Yeah.
Is this the worst it's ever been? No.
 

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When has HRC denied climate change

i don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if she did

her opinion on issues change as the wind blows, espcially considering she tried to push for fracking domestically and abroad. clearly, that is someone who DOESN'T believe in climate change:

Hillary Clinton’s Energy Initiative Pressed Countries to Embrace Fracking, New Emails Reveal

BACK IN APRIL, just before the New York primary, Hillary Clinton’s campaign aired a commercial on upstate television stations touting her work as secretary of state forcing “China, India, some of the world’s worst polluters” to make “real change.” She promised to “stand firm with New Yorkers opposing fracking, giving communities the right to say ‘no.’”

The television spot, which was not announced and does not appear on the official campaign YouTube page with most of Clinton’s other ads, implied a history of opposition to fracking, here and abroad. But emails obtained by The Intercept from the Department of State reveal new details of behind-the-scenes efforts by Clinton and her close aides to export American-style hydraulic fracturing — the horizontal drilling technique best known as fracking — to countries all over the world.

Far from challenging fossil fuel companies, the emails obtained byThe Intercept show that State Department officials worked closely with private sector oil and gas companies, pressed other agencies within the Obama administration to commit federal government resources including technical assistance for locating shale reserves, and distributed agreements with partner nations pledging to help secure investments for new fracking projects.

The documents also reveal the department’s role in bringing foreign dignitaries to a fracking site in Pennsylvania, and its plans to make Poland a “laboratory for testing whether U.S. success in developing shale gas can be repeated in a different country,” particularly in Europe, where local governments had expressed opposition and in some cases even banned fracking.

The campaign included plans to spread the drilling technique to China, South Africa, Romania, Morocco, Bulgaria, Chile, India, Pakistan, Argentina, Indonesia, and Ukraine.

In 2014, Mother Jones reporter Mariah Blake used diplomatic cables disclosed by WikiLeaks and other records to uncover how Clinton “sold fracking to the world.” The emails obtained by The Interceptthrough a separate Freedom of Information Act request provide a new layer of detail.

The Clinton campaign did not respond to a request for comment. During the April 15 Democratic debate in Brooklyn, New York, Clinton insisted there was no inconsistency between her positions:

Q: OK. Secretary Clinton, as secretary of state, you also pioneered a program to promote fracking around the world, as you described. Fracking, of course, a way of extracting natural gas. Now as a candidate for president, you say that by the time you’re done with all your rules and regulations, fracking will be restricted in many places around the country. Why have you changed your view on fracking?
CLINTON: No, well, I don’t think I’ve changed my view on what we need to do to go from where we are, where the world is heavily dependent on coal and oil, but principally coal, to where we need to be, which is clean renewable energy, and one of the bridge fuels is natural gas. And so for both economic and environmental and strategic reasons, it was American policy to try to help countries get out from under the constant use of coal, building coal plants all the time, also to get out from under, especially if they were in Europe, the pressure from Russia, which has been incredibly intense. So we did say natural gas is a bridge. We want to cross that bridge as quickly as possible, because in order to deal with climate change, we have got to move as rapidly as we can.

Industry-Backed Launch
The Global Shale Gas Initiative, Clinton’s program for promoting fracking, was announced on April 7, 2010, by David Goldwyn, the State Department’s special envoy for energy affairs, at the United States Energy Association (USEA), whose members include Chevron, ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, and Shell.

In a widely covered event in Krakow three months later, Clintonannounced that “Poland will be part of the Global Shale Gas Initiative,” and the State Department would “provide technical and other assistance.”

Goldwyn, who did not respond to multiple requests for comment, spoke to National Journal last month, explaining that “[Clinton’s] instruction to me was that it was OK to talk about helping other countries get access to their own resources, as long as the focus of our engagement was how they could do it safely and efficiently, and that’s why the program had almost an entirely regulatory focus.” Goldwyn emphasized that the shale gas initiative was not designed to help the private sector and instead should be seen as “a really very modest government-to-government.”

But the emails show an aggressive effort to engage private energy companies and use Poland as part of a larger campaign to sell fracking throughout the region.

An email dated December 3, 2010, shows that the State Department had Poland firmly in its bull’s-eye and that companies such as ExxonMobil, Chevron, Marathon Oil, Canadian firm BNK Petroleum, and Italian energy company Eni expressed interest in tapping into Polish shale. One official suggested “enlisting Eni” to help organize the pro-fracking campaign in Poland, as well as bringing in U.S. companies. Earlier that year, in April, Poland’s then-Minister of Foreign Affairs Radoslaw Sikorski also took a trip to Texas to visit a fracking production site.

“I think we should be open to working with the Poles to spread knowledge and understanding of Poland’s (and Europe’s) shale gas potential,” wrote the State Department’s Chuck Ashley, who now works in the Office of the U.S. Ambassador to Israel.

“Poland,” Ashley wrote, “is a laboratory for testing whether U.S. success in developing shale gas can be repeated in a different country, with different shales, and a different regulatory environment.” Ashley also noted that “popular and political support is strong now, but this could change when shale gas wells come to their backyards.”

In fact, that did change. As drilling rigs transformed from prospect to reality, Polish citizens attempted — as it turns out, successfully — tofend off companies interested in fracking in Poland, including Chevron. A group called Occupy Chevron formed in reaction to the potential for shale drilling in Poland and Chevron filed a lawsuit against the occupiers. Facing the backlash and low global oil prices, in January 2015, Chevron announced it would halt operations in Poland.

Public-Private Partnerships
Despite Goldwyn’s recent assertion that the fracking campaign was a modest effort, the emails show what Goldwyn referred to as a “whole of government” approach that included deploying assistance from a range of agencies. At least 13 different government agencies were part of the effort.

Take Morocco, for example. A joint program with Clinton’s Global Shale Gas Initiative and the State Department’s International Visitor Leadership Program (IVLP) event for visiting Moroccans involved several U.S. government federal agencies in the proceedings. That included the EPA, National Security Council, USTDA, USGS, BLM, FERC, and the Commercial Law Development Program.

After signing the agreement, Moroccan officials visited the U.S. for a series of meetings with the National Security Council, U.S. Trade and Development Agency, Bureau of Land Management, along with meetings with the American Gas Association and America’s Natural Gas Alliance, a lobbying group for the largest American fracking companies.

The emails reveal that the NSC had a “biweekly shale gas call” in which it offered the State Department its input on Global Shale Gas Initiative priority countries.

Moving Forward
The Global Shale Gas Initiative eventually became enveloped in the broader and still-existing Bureau of Energy Resources, a special wing within the Department of State devoted to the geopolitics of energy. “You can’t talk about our economy or foreign policy without talking about energy,” Clinton said, announcing the new bureau in 2011.

The office, staffed by 85 people, focuses on a range of energy development, but with a special focus on unconventional gas development and infrastructure, such as fracking and liquefied natural gas terminals, to support the development of the international gas market.

Now called the Unconventional Gas Technical Engagement Program, the Global Shale Gas Initiative lives on under Secretary of State John Kerry (though they’ve taken down the website) but with the prospect of a commercial-scale global shale gas boom greatly reduced. Only the U.S., Canada, Argentina, and China have commercialized the controversial horizontal drilling technique.

The pause in fracking, however, might be momentary. A number of energy companies that worked closely with the State Department now employ lobbyists that are fundraising furiously for Clinton’s campaign. ExxonMobil’s top lobbyist, as well as lobbyists for liquefied natural gas terminals designed to connect the U.S. to the global gas market, are among the most prolific fundraisers.

Goldwyn, too, is still actively promoting similar policies in the private sector through his consulting company Goldwyn Global Strategies, as counsel to the energy lobbying firm Sutherland Asbill & Brennan, and through his association with the Atlantic Council, a think tank that promotes fossil fuel development.

The State Department’s shale gas initiative “was clearly driven by the promotion of Big Oil’s expansion,” Charlie Cray, senior researcher at Greenpeace USA, told The Intercept. “That it was one of State’s highest priorities undermines their credibility as leaders in the global effort to prevent the calamitous threats of climate change.”

cape for her all you want, but she's not a candidate you can trust for anything. she spews more lies than a 5 year old who got caught stealing
 
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more evidence that hillary is the corporate america candidate.

3 anti-trump headlines as soon as you log on to yahoo.com

there is never this much attention focused on any of hillary's numerous scandals.

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