Current Affairs: Who Actually Gets to Create Black Pop Culture?

[mastermind]

Surprised this isn't getting that much traction on HL.

People don’t want to read something like this since it’s long.

This forum also doesn’t care about class.

Lol I was more so thinking about the fact that Black classism is seemingly a touchy subject here and in TLR.

Didn’t see this reply, but exactly.

 

[No1]

Lol I was more so thinking about the fact that Black classism is seemingly a touchy subject here and in TLR.

I knew where you were going lol. And you’re not wrong but it’s also because it’s long.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Lol I was more so thinking about the fact that Black classism is seemingly a touchy subject here and in TLR.

We need more black elites. Deal with it.

I’m gonna read this later cuz it looks interesting but it reminds me of something Dr. Amos Wilson said regarding how Black people dont actually own or control their culture and as such the outsiders that do are able to inculcate whatever values they want into Black people as well as utilize the Black image to fit a certain idea.

It would be a much different situation if Black folks was more in control of their culture.

The way they were even acting like they need more poor black people on TV then acting like Cosby was harmful. Bruh, its ONE tv show. And there weren't even that many black shows! Like...what the fukk is all this whining about?!

We. Have. NOTHING. If we get ONE black show of a successful black family, then these burlap bag fashionistas come through trying to lower the goddamn bar.

Bruh so are you saying black people shouldn't have images of black success now?!

This isn't really about black people, it's about rich people practicing nepotism.

I can say for sure that standup comedy is dead at the lower levels because of rich people.

There are no rich black people.

Incredible article. Articulated a lot of the class-based issues I experienced in undergrad and will probably continue to experience to a lesser degree in grad school.

Explained a lot of nuances and differences that are often felt, but never really detailed to such a great extent. And yeah, I’m seeing now with the advent of Trap Yoga, Trap Brunch, Trap Iceland Vacations, etc. especially the dynamic in that the black middle class have to virtue signal proximity to poverty in order to cash-in on the industry of ‘blackness’

Its a lot of whining with no suggestions. its basically a light-weight conservative critique of black escapism while ignoring the actual racism black employees face. The author himself is a liberal arts grad student, even if he grew up poor.

Look at the author. You telling me yall taking HIS critique on actual black people? WORD?

No wonder he spends so much time whining about "what about the white poor"...




ANY TIME SOME black people get SOMETHING, here come these bullshyt class reductionist clowns. I HATE these b*stards. They want us to have N O T H I N G.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

This isn't really about black people, it's about rich people practicing nepotism.

I can say for sure that standup comedy is dead at the lower levels because of rich people.

Thanks for the correction, that’s also a very interesting topic to read. I’m curious to see if it relates the neoliberal shift to this phenomenon or if it tracks this phenomenon much further back.

 

[Mook]

Thanks for the correction, that’s also a very interesting topic to read. I’m curious to see if it relates the neoliberal shift to this phenomenon or if it tracks this phenomenon much further back.

Man you gotta read the article. I've had this hypothesis myself for a while. shyt the article actually explained to me why I had a bad feeling about Dave Chapelle and that maybe I was wrong about white delivery, maybe it's a class thing.

Ofc napoleon hates this article, it exposes how deep the class warfare in America is.

 

[Mastamimd]

Man you gotta read the article. I've had this hypothesis myself for a while. shyt the article actually explained to me why I had a bad feeling about Dave Chapelle and that maybe I was wrong about white delivery, maybe it's a class thing.

Ofc napoleon hates this article, it exposes how deep the class warfare in America is.

He himself called his family the "broke Huxtables" in an article I read. I always knew he was a middle class guy.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Man you gotta read the article. I've had this hypothesis myself for a while. shyt the article actually explained to me why I had a bad feeling about Dave Chapelle and that maybe I was wrong about white delivery, maybe it's a class thing.

Ofc napoleon hates this article, it exposes how deep the class warfare in America is.

Yeah I’m definitely reading this shyt

 

[Red Shield]

I’m gonna read this later cuz it looks interesting but it reminds me of something Dr. Amos Wilson said regarding how Black people dont actually own or control their culture and as such the outsiders that do are able to inculcate whatever values they want into Black people as well as utilize the Black image to fit a certain idea.

It would be a much different situation if Black folks was more in control of their culture.

pretty much

 

[Red Shield]

Read the article last night, can definitely see where the author is coming from.


Also this must be one of the reasons you don't really see a whole lotta new young upcoming black comedians...

 

[ORDER_66]

definitely gonna read this later...

 

[No1]

Read the article last night, can definitely see where the author is coming from.


Also this must be one of the reasons you don't really see a whole lotta new young upcoming black comedians...

I think what’s interesting is the point she makes about assuming that all black people can speak for other classes of black people. There isn’t the same level of introspection of questioning. There was all this talk about coastal elites and whether they understood middle America, but there’s never any question about whether middle class or upper middle class black people can speak for the poorest of black people. And instead of telling stories of their experiences, they tell the stories of black people that they believe the masses want to hear and that they believe can be greenlit.

 

[mastermind]

Man you gotta read the article. I've had this hypothesis myself for a while. shyt the article actually explained to me why I had a bad feeling about Dave Chapelle and that maybe I was wrong about white delivery, maybe it's a class thing.

Ofc napoleon hates this article, it exposes how deep the class warfare in America is.

TBF to Dave, black people were not fukking with him until the Chappelle show. He played to mostly white audiences. He never changed who he was, but black people didn't embrace him to later.

On Woke Brows Woke Bros last week, the author compared the story of Donald Glover who grew up middle class with someone like Jerrod Carmichael who grew up poor. They are around the same age, but Glover was in the right circles--thanks to college--and was able to get on a smooth ten years earlier than Carmichael. Its hard for comedians now.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

On Woke Brows last week, the author compared the story of Donald Glover who grew up middle class with someone like Jerrod Carmichael who grew up poor. They are around the same age, but Glover was in the right circles--thanks to college--and was able to get on a smooth ten years earlier than Carmichael. Its hard for comedians now.

they frame this as if this is something bad. Thats my problem.

Like what are people supposed to be upset with here?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I think what’s interesting is the point she makes about assuming that all black people can speak for other classes of black people. There isn’t the same level of introspection of questioning. There was all this talk about coastal elites and whether they understood middle America, but there’s never any question about whether middle class or upper middle class black people can speak for the poorest of black people. And instead of telling stories of their experiences, they tell the stories of black people that they believe the masses want to hear and that they believe can be greenlit.

Middle class black people are poor.

 

[EndDomination]

I have a lot of personal commentary regarding this article - but I will say there's a "Black performance" that the Black petit-bourgeoisie likes to put on that doesn't match their educational or social stratum.

And if you look at media as a whole the differences between depictions written by Black people who exist as Black people and Black people who are trying to portray an idea of Blackness - is pretty stark.