COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

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Multiple studies have been performed over the last 2 years. All of them concur that unvaccinated people are most at-risk of infection, hospitalization, and death.​
People are dying and ending up in the hospital because of underlying conditions and weak systems. My Tia passed away recently and she was fully vaxxed. She needed an oxygen machine due to her medical condition. She got Covid and ended up catching other shyt after which led to her passing.

My cousins who got vaxxed ended up catching the Rona and were worse than when I caught it.

My friend got Rona early on and was way worse than me, and he’s in better shape.

Vax or no vac, if your system isn’t strong enough it’s gonna be bad. I’m sure genes have something to do with it too.
 

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You're just forgetting all about the fact they had COVID.​
What the fukk are you talking about? When did I disregard Covid? :what:

I’m saying those with weak and compromised systems who catch Covid are the ones dying and ending up in the hospitals. Did you even read my entire post? The Rona led to my aunt’s death.

I’m in the Covid thread. Why would I even say Covid isn’t the issue? :dahell:
 

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What the fukk are you talking about? When did I disregard Covid?

The following sentence ...​

I’m saying those with weak and compromised systems who catch Covid are the ones dying and ending up in the hospitals.

COVID, itself, is an underlying condition so, either way you slice it, they got hospitalized/died from COVID UNLESS the specific cause of death is something else...... like a gunshot or aneurysm.​
 

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The following sentence ...​



COVID, itself, is an underlying condition so, either way you slice it, they got hospitalized/died from COVID UNLESS the specific cause of death is something else...... like a gunshot or aneurysm.​

Wow, you’re Fuxkin stupid. That’s not even disregarding Covid. Since you lack comprehension, I’m saying Covid led to their death.

Let me simplify it for you: a boxer is getting beaten up and bruised (those with health conditions and weak systems) keeps fighting until the final blow (Covid), it’s over.

And you trying to use a sentence AFTER the fact you said what you said only adds to your idiocy.

I already know you’re one of these weirdo pro vac shook mu fukkas, so why do I even bother? :mjlol:
 
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People are dying and ending up in the hospital because of underlying conditions and weak systems. My Tia passed away recently and she was fully vaxxed. She needed an oxygen machine due to her medical condition. She got Covid and ended up catching other shyt after which led to her passing.

My cousins who got vaxxed ended up catching the Rona and were worse than when I caught it.

My friend got Rona early on and was way worse than me, and he’s in better shape.

Vax or no vac, if your system isn’t strong enough it’s gonna be bad. I’m sure genes have something to do with it too.

so your anecdotes sway you more than the overwhelming data from hospitals in each and every county in each and every state?

since the vaccine was released I'm unaware of any hospital reporting that there are more vaccinated individuals in their care for covid than unvaccinated covid patients..
 
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so your anecdotes sway you more than the data from hospitals in each and every county in each and state?

Why would I disregard first hand experience and knowledge?

There needs to be more info out like how many unvaccinated people had health conditions and ended up in the hospital or died. Same for the vaccinated.

The bottom line is this Virus affects everyone differently and It doesn’t matter if you’re vaxxed or not. Everyone’s health and system isnt the same and People with medical issues are gonna suffer the most.
 

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Why would I disregard first hand experience and knowledge?

There needs to be more info out like how many unvaccinated people had health conditions and ended up in the hospital or died. Same for the vaccinated.

The bottom line is this Virus affects everyone differently and It doesn’t matter if you’re vaxxed or not. Everyone’s health and system isnt the same and People with medical issues are gonna suffer the most.




covid can make healthy people unhealthy.









 

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Ughh... The study that they referenced used PCR to measure viral loads but PCR tests can’t differentiate between antibody-neutralised virions (or broken down viral debris) vs infectious particles. That was actually a common complaint from other virologists and immunologists who have looked it over but nevertheless that paper made it's rounds in the news for a week.

Thanks to that we have "vaccinated are spreaders too" argument.

Bringing this back up because I was thinking about the mmwr provincetown report that insinuated that vaccinated and unvaccinated people carry the same viral loads which spiraled out of control into "vaxxed spread it just as much the unvaxxed".

Again I hated that report because it was meaningless without measuring the amount of infectious virions between the two cohorts (vaxxed and unvaxxed) and PCRs don't distinguish between viral RNA that has already been destroyed by t cells, virions neutralized by antibodies, infectious virions, and retarded genome copies. Ok, I am speaking a little loose with the retarded genome copies thing but it's actually important to know that RNA viruses produce non infectious copies 90% of the time due to RNA polymerases not having mechanisms for proofreading (ie ways to correct mutations) like DNA polymerases.

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Anyways there is a new paper that answers the question if the infectious viral loads are the same between the unvaccinated and vaccinated by creating infectious viral titers (IVTs) for PCR positive individuals.

Infectious viral load in unvaccinated and vaccinated patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 WT, Delta and Omicron


Background
Viral load (VL) is one determinant of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Emergence of variants of concerns (VOC) Alpha and Delta was ascribed, at least partly, to higher VL. Furthermore, with parts of the population vaccinated, knowledge on VL in vaccine breakthrough infections is crucial. As RNA VL is only a weak proxy for infectiousness, studies on infectious virus presence by cell culture isolation are of importance.

Methods
We assessed nasopharyngeal swabs of COVID-19 patients for quantitative infectious viral titres (IVT) by focus-forming assay and compared to overall virus isolation success and RNA genome copies. We assessed infectious viral titres during the first 5 symptomatic days in a total of 384 patients: unvaccinated individuals infected with pre-VOC SARS-CoV-2 (n= 118) or Delta (n= 127) and vaccine breakthrough infections with Delta (n= 121) or Omicron (n=18).

Findings
Correlation between RNA copy number and IVT was low for all groups. No correlation between IVTs and age or sex was seen. We observed higher RNA genome copies in pre-VOC SARS-CoV-2 compared to Delta, but significantly higher IVTs in Delta infected individuals. In vaccinated vs. unvaccinated Delta infected individuals, RNA genome copies were comparable but vaccinated individuals have significantly lower IVTs, and cleared virus faster. Vaccinated individuals with Omicron infection had comparable IVTs to Delta breakthrough infections.

Interpretation
Quantitative IVTs can give detailed insights into virus shedding kinetics. Vaccination was associated with lower infectious titres and faster clearance for Delta, showing that vaccination would also lower transmission risk. Omicron vaccine breakthrough infections did not show elevated IVTs compared to Delta, suggesting that other mechanisms than increase VL contribute to the high infectiousness of Omicron.


And here's one of the authors talking about their study.























 
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Here in Cook County, black people are dying at double the rate of whites, triple that of hispanics, and 4x that of asians.
fukk man. Meanwhile a relative brought up Tuskegee for vaccination resistance :snoop:

99.9 percent survival rate, brehs. We gotta learn to live with it, brehs. "Mah economy", brehs!!!
 

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tldr; vaccinated individuals have significantly lower infectious viral loads and clear the virus faster
Anyone who has paid attention to the experts or read a white paper knows this. The antivaxx folks always leave this out of their rants.

You might have to be around a vaccinated person multiple days on end constantly coming in contact with the pathogens whereas an unvaccinated individual might give it to you silently within five minutes of being near them. Obviously this is grossly simplifying it but it is no different from just saying that vaccinated individuals also get people sick. Until they acknowledge this in arguments, I will never concede to that BS talking point.

If somebody cannot visualize me firing a 6 shooter into a crowd as a vaccinated person versus them letting off 100 rounds then it is already a moot point.
 
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