COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

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That's the issue, a lot of these people are acting on flawed information. Common sense says that if there's a virus in the air if someone's sick, you don't want to breathe that in. So, you'd want to keep your distance, wash your hands, and probably wear a mask to prevent yourself from inhaling it unknowingly. That seems pretty straightforward, and yet... :francis:

People think they have Super Saiyan immune systems and get knocked on their back. Sure, there's people out there that'll be fine, but why risk it? And then they carry it with them and someone who won't be okay ends up getting infected. There lies the whole point of being cautious, but a lot of these people straight up don't care. Take those kids on the airplane for example. Not a single one of them considered the fact that they can be a harm to themselves or somebody else who is doing their absolute best to stay safe. Do they care though? Nope. They just want to have fun and "live their lives", other human lives be damned. Then when poor Grandma catches that shyt, there's smeared eyeliners and red corneas on TikTok talking about "this is very real you guys, stay safe." Yeah, we've been saying that for two years now, welcome to the conversation guys. :mindblown:

At this point, it's willful ignorance. We've been in this world now for 2+ years. There's enough information to answer a good majority of the questions that people have, but they choose not to. They don't want peer-reviewed data from established institutions. They want fringe doctors to validate their confirmation bias. A good majority of the data we have is out there readily available, but some of them think that "the truth is being stifled". Now, if we have medical professionals all over the world, and most of the data consistent with what's been relayed to the public... What does Occam's Razor tell us? :jbhmm:

The worst part of all this is that most people aren't even saying "be afraid", they're just saying "don't be a fukking idiot". It's hard on everyone, but most people are doing their part even though they'd rather be living life normally. And thankfully, most people know better than to listen to the knuckleheads.
Or just live a healthy lifestyle that supports not destroys your naturally strong immune system
 

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Fully vaccinated used to be 2 jabs, now its 3. What happens when they introduce a 4th or 5th? Means if you have 3 jabs and die and it's broken down into unvaccinated/vaccinated you'd be considered unvaccinated.

Natural immunity is always > artificial immunity that vaccines create. By constantly taking these vaccines you're overstimulating your bodies immune system

Right, why don't I back up my claims by showing crooked review papers by corrupt healthcare officials or paid off politicans instead of listening to reports from everyday people who have taken the vaccine and have no reason to lie..

Man, when did this forum turn into reddit :what:

The virus is real, the response is not.
3 isn't fully vaccinated unless you're past the point of 2 being that. If you're 4 weeks post second shot you have months to go before you need the 3rd so you're fully vaccinated. If you're 9 months post second shot and haven't got the 3rd then you should be considered partially vaccinated.
 

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No, the vaccine is just losing efficacy because it’s not a true vaccine. Also there have been no other variants of significance detected. Lol Mordith is so butthurt.

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Covid-19: Common cold may give some protection, study suggests

Natural defences against a common cold could offer some protection against Covid-19, too, research suggests.

The small-scale study, published in Nature Communications, involved 52 individuals who lived with someone who had just caught Covid-19.

Those who had developed a "memory bank" of specific immune cells after a cold - to help prevent future attacks - appeared less likely to get Covid.

Experts say no-one should rely on this defence alone, and vaccines remain key.

But they believe their findings could provide useful insight into how a body's defence system fights the virus.

Covid-19 is caused by a type of coronavirus, and some colds are caused by other coronaviruses - so scientists have wondered whether immunity against one might help with the other.

But the experts caution that it would be a "grave mistake" to think that anyone who had recently had a cold was automatically protected against Covid-19 - as not all are caused by coronaviruses.

The Imperial College London team wanted to understand better why some people catch Covid after being exposed to the virus and others do not.

'New vaccine approach'
They focused their study on a crucial part of the body' s immune system - T-cells.

Some of these T-cells kill any cells infected by a specific threat - for example, a cold virus.

And, once the cold has gone, some T-cells remain in the body as a memory bank, ready to mount a defence when they next encounter the virus.

In September 2020, researchers studied 52 people who had not yet been vaccinated but who lived with people who had just tested positive for Covid-19.

Half the group went on to get Covid during the 28-day study period and half did not.

A third of the people who did not catch Covid were found to have high levels of specific memory T-cells in their blood.

These were likely to have been created when the body had been infected with another closely-related human coronavirus - most frequently, a common cold, they say.

Researchers accept other variables - such as ventilation and how infectious their household contact was - would have an impact on whether people caught the virus, too.

Dr Simon Clarke, at the University of Reading, said although this was a relatively small study, it added to the understanding of how our immune system fights the virus and could help with future vaccines.

He added: "These data should not be over-interpreted. It seems unlikely that everyone who has died or had a more serious infection, has never had a cold caused by a coronavirus.

"And it could be a grave mistake to think that anyone who has recently had a cold is protected against Covid-19, as coronaviruses only account for 10-15% of colds."

Professor Ajit Lalvani, senior author of the study, agreed vaccines were key to protection.

He added: "Learning from what the body does right could help inform the design of new vaccines."

Current vaccines specifically target spike proteins that sit on the outside of the virus, but those spike proteins can change with new variants.

But the body's T-cells target internal virus proteins, which do not change as much from variant to variant, meaning vaccines harnessing the work of T-cells more closely could provide broader, longer-lasting protection against Covid, he said.
 

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I don't know why some of you continue to bring up "Long COVID." If you simply Google, "does the vaccine protect against Long COVID" you get a 50/50 split of yes or no answers all backed by studies or "experts." There's no consensus on the matter so one shouldn't just assume they aren't at risk because they are vaccinated.
 

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Dammit I have my daughter on the weekends and she said her moms uncle was staying with them for a bit but he was sick in the basement and had been asking her to bring him juice and crackers.

She came on Friday and had a headache, no appetite, and slept early and slept in the next day.

Yesterday my girl suggested the home tests and she tested positive while I didn't. I'll test again on Wednesday and Friday but I'm quarantining for a bit.

fukk.
 

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I don't know why some of you continue to bring up "Long COVID." If you simply Google, "does the vaccine protect against Long COVID" you get a 50/50 split of yes or no answers all backed by studies or "experts." There's no consensus on the matter so one shouldn't just assume they aren't at risk because they are vaccinated.

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If you're in California don't enter a healthcare facility unless it's absolutely necessary. Health care providers that test positive are being allowed to immediately return to work with no quarantine period, as long as they are asymptomatic :picard:

If they believe they've been exposed they don't even need to test on some I dont wanna know type stuff
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California Issues New Guidance on Quarantine and Isolation for Healthcare Workers

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Interim Guidance for Managing Healthcare Personnel with SARS-CoV-2 Infection or Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 and Strategies to Mitigate Healthcare Personnel Staffing Shortages.
  • Pursuant to Welfare and Institutions Code section 14126.033 a SNF's receipt of the annual increase in the weighted average Medi-Cal reimbursement rate may be conditioned on the facility's good faith compliance with CDPH AFLs related to the COVID-19 Public Health Emergency, as a result the recommendations included in this AFL are requirements for SNFs.


  • From January 8, 2022 until February 1, 2022, HCP who test positive for SARS-CoV-2 and are asymptomatic, may return to work immediately without isolation and without testing, and HCPs who have been exposed and are asymptomatic may return to work immediately without quarantine and without testing. These HCPs must wear an N95 respirator for source control.
Temporary Isolation, Quarantine and Return to Work Criteria for HCP
Due to the critical staffing shortages currently being experienced across the health care continuum because of the rise in the Omicron variant, effective January 8, 2022 through February 1, 2022, CDPH is temporarily adjusting the return-to-work criteria. During this time, this guidance will supersede the tables below.

During this time, HCPs who have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 and are asymptomatic may return to work immediately without isolation and without testing, and HCPs who have been exposed and are asymptomatic may return to work immediately without quarantine and without testing. These HCPs must wear an N95 respirator for source control. Facilities implementing this change must have made every attempt to bring in additional registry or contract staff and must have considered modifications to non-essential procedures.

These HCPs should preferably be assigned to work with COVID-19 positive patients. However, this may not always be possible in settings such as the emergency department in which you may not know which patients are COVID-19 positive or in areas where you may be experiencing extreme staffing shortages.




Also, according to the California Department of Public Health in normal circumstances if you haven't received a booster once eligible, you have the same status(second class) as a completely unvaccinated person

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Okay, "Long HAUL COVID" :comeon: The point is there's no hard science that the vaccines prevent Long COVID. Even the studies that lean that way say it's theoretical and the effectiveness is based upon the reduced risk of transmission in general (outdated now) and the lowered severity of disease (even more relevant today). Of course, people love to remind you that even a mild or asymptomatic case of COVID can lead to the dreaded LOOOOOOOOOOONG COVID so I don't see how reducing disease severity is relevant in regard to post viral complications.

Like many things about the Coronavirus, Long COVID is still something that needs A LOT more study. There's no real concensus on vaccine effectiveness as it pertains to it. However, if vaccines do reduce the risk of Long COVID then there's no need to use it as a bogeyman against the vaccinated who feel secure in taking "risks" due to the protection against severe disease. If that severe disease includes Long COVID then what do they really have to worry about?

Some people want it both ways with the vaccine; it's GREAT and you MUST get it or you're an evil person BUT it's not good enough where you can do your own social risk assessment without fear of some other COVID complication. Which is it?
 
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