COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

[DAT NICCA KELSO]

Me, my girl and our 2 year got tested on Friday. All our results came back on Monday negative. On Saturday my girl started complaining bout her throat was scratchy and since then she hasn't been feeling well (cough and body ache). Me and our son been fine

We gonna get retested.

 

[bnew]

 

[shonuff]

It’s crazy how many people think a vac is a cure. It’s basically a bandage.

The interview with the doc was very informative. He was saying how the spiked proteins in the vac can possibly do serious damage in the long run, so multiple shots isn’t a good look.

Also mentioned how clinical studies take about 5 years to see if the vac does any damage in the long run after injection.

shyt had me

thats not true

no vaccine in the history of vaccines has ever had effects that dont make themselves evident until years later

if you have a bad effect to a vaccine its generally seen within hours if not days ...

the whole point of a vaccine is to enter and effect you quickly - vaccines arent like prescription meds that you take over a long period of time repeatedly

 

[WaveMolecules]

I think it would have to do with ODing the system in a certain amount of time. The flu vac is yearly. These Covid shots are within months, and there hasn’t been proper studies on it.

And I said “possibly do damage,” not “it will do damage.” Hopefully nothing happens in the long run.

im sure your concerns about the vaccine have been considered by not just the CDC but every government medical agency around the world that strongly recommends the vaccine, which is pretty much all of them.

trust the global medical community. theyre usually right. this is what they do. trust them the way you trust Boeing or Airbus. Planes crash all the time but we still trust the engineers and dont "doubt" airplanes.

 

[MenacingMonk]

thats not true

no vaccine in the history of vaccines has ever had effects that dont make themselves evident until years later

if you have a bad effect to a vaccine its generally seen within hours if not days ...

the whole point of a vaccine is to enter and effect you quickly - vaccines arent like prescription meds that you take over a long period of time repeatedly

That’s because vaccines take years until it’s released to the public. This one was rushed And it’s a new strain of a virus. There has to be some unknowns.

 

[MenacingMonk]

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im sure your concerns about the vaccine have been considered by not just the CDC but every government medical agency around the world that strongly recommends the vaccine, which is pretty much all of them.

trust the global medical community. theyre usually right. this is what they do. trust them the way you trust Boeing or Airbus. Planes crash all the time but we still trust the engineers and dont "doubt" airplanes.

I trust my immune system more. I caught the Rona early 2020 and had no problems. Was I sick? Yes, but it wasn’t life threatening.

I’m not vaccinated nor have I had any kind of flu vaccine since high school. I have my reasons and before ignorant a$$holes try to shyt on me, I’m not an anti-vac weirdo. I believe we have the choice to do what we want with our body. I hate both sides (pro and anti) that take a hardcore stance and I hate how this country is turning into a soft police state with mandatories.

If people weren’t so fukkin nasty things wouldn’t be as bad as they are. Every day I’m out I see people coughing without covering their mouths; thinking a mask will prevent the spread. The bottom line is the majority of People lack proper hygiene etiquette. That’s one of the main culprits of contagion.

 

[shonuff]

That’s because vaccines take years until it’s released to the public. This one was rushed And it’s a new strain of a virus. There has to be some unknowns.

this is also incorrect

not all vaccine take years to develop - the PATENTS for (drugs) them sometimes take years to be released ( completely different )

but there is no such thing as a "rushed" vaccine - polio once it was discovered went on the market within a year same with H1N1 - even the last SARS vaccine took less than a year - and the flu virus is pushed out every six months or so even before the advances in genetic sequenceing that have increased 10fold in the last decade or more...

yes there are unknowns - but the unknowns are how this virus affects you long term and what that means for your overall health.

this resistance and insistance to try to dissuade people from taking this vaccine is borne mostly of peoples political goals and machinations and some overarching socio philosophical construction having to do more with the changes in society rather than any real concern about public health policy....

 

[shonuff]

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I trust my immune system more. I caught the Rona early 2020 and had no problems. Was I sick? Yes, but it wasn’t life threatening.

I’m not vaccinated nor have I had any kind of flu vaccine since high school. I have my reasons and before ignorant a$$holes try to shyt on me, I’m not an anti-vac weirdo. I believe we have the choice to do what we want with our body. I hate both sides (pro and anti) that take a hardcore stance and I hate how this country is turning into a soft police state with mandatories.

If people weren’t so fukkin nasty things wouldn’t be as bad as they are. Every day I’m out I see people coughing without covering their mouths; thinking a mask will prevent the spread. The bottom line is the majority of People lack proper hygiene etiquette. That’s one of the main culprits of contagion.

youre saying you dont lilke a soft police state but what really are you being policed about? - the same demand that you be vaccinated is no different that the vaccination programs that this country has ever had for over a 100 years or more .

a policy or program to vaccinate people has been going on since the days of cholera and typhoid in the 19th century - you cant get a job in civil service or goto school without being vaccinated - hell during the 1918 flu they were jailing you if you didnt get vaccinated.....so this is a silly argument that somehow the govt solutions now are out of bounds when the solutions even a hundred years ago were much more severe.

as for your own immunity

the science is already showing that it wanes - and theres PLENTY of people who catch COVID and survive only to catch it again several months later

the whole purpose of these vaccinations is to slow the spread of this virus and lower the risk of it affecting those who have a low to absolutely NO immunological defense to people who may be carrying it because while it may only make you somewhat sick - it can definitely be the cause of death ( or near death ) to other people ...a mask policy isnt to just keep you from contracting COVID its to reduce the amount you may spread if you are a asymptomatic carrier .....

 

[MenacingMonk]

this is also incorrect

not all vaccine take years to develop - the PATENTS for (drugs) them sometimes take years to be released ( completely different )

but there is no such thing as a "rushed" vaccine - polio once it was discovered went on the market within a year same with H1N1 - even the last SARS vaccine took less than a year - and the flu virus is pushed out every six months or so even before the advances in genetic sequenceing that have increased 10fold in the last decade or more...

yes there are unknowns - but the unknowns are how this virus affects you long term and what that means for your overall health.

this resistance and insistance to try to dissuade people from taking this vaccine is borne mostly of peoples political goals and machinations and some overarching socio philosophical construction having to do more with the changes in society rather than any real concern about public health policy....

I just did a quick google search:

Polio:

Researchers began working on a polio vaccine in the 1930s, but early attempts were unsuccessful. An effective vaccine didn't come around until 1953, when Jonas Salk introduced his inactivated polio vaccine (IPV

H1N1 already had a previous outbreak so it’s not like a vaccine was freshly made:

There were two major vaccine rollouts for swine flu in 1976 and 2009. The 1976 vaccine was in response to a sudden emergence of the virus at Fort Dix . The U.S. developed and distributed a swine flu vaccine after concerns about a repeat of the 1918 influenza pandemic. The vaccine was effective but caused side effects

SARS:

After the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak, vaccines against SARS-CoV were developed preclinically and two were tested in phase I trials5,6. However, development was stopped because the virus was eradicated from the human population and has not re-emerged since 2004.

You a Pharma Agent?

 

[MenacingMonk]

youre saying you dont lilke a soft police state but what really are you being policed about? - the same demand that you be vaccinated is no different that the vaccination programs that this country has ever had for over a 100 years or more .

a policy or program to vaccinate people has been going on since the days of cholera and typhoid in the 19th century - you cant get a job in civil service or goto school without being vaccinated - hell during the 1918 flu they were jailing you if you didnt get vaccinated.....so this is a silly argument that somehow the govt solutions now are out of bounds when the solutions even a hundred years ago were much more severe.

as for your own immunity

the science is already showing that it wanes - and theres PLENTY of people who catch COVID and survive only to catch it again several months later

the whole purpose of these vaccinations is to slow the spread of this virus and lower the risk of it affecting those who have a low to absolutely NO immunological defense to people who may be carrying it because while it may only make you somewhat sick - it can definitely be the cause of death ( or near death ) to other people ...a mask policy isnt to just keep you from contracting COVID its to reduce the amount you may spread if you are a asymptomatic carrier .....

All the jobs I’ve had they’ve never asked for my vaccination records.

People are losing jobs over no vacs, which can be compared to the supposed jailing of the 1918 outbreak. If the gov vaccination has “been the same for years,” why wasn’t it like this during previous virus outbreaks over the past 30 years? Why haven’t they pushed the flu vaccine like this one? The flu is a killer and takes THOUSANDS of people a year. The fact is there’s discrimination going on.

 

[shonuff]

I just did a quick google search:

Polio:



H1N1 already had a previous outbreak so it’s not like a vaccine was freshly made:



SARS:



You a Pharma Agent?

no

but if youre gonna tell it - tell it correctly - we arent living in a police state because of a vaccine mandate now, than we were living in one in 2019 and before, when you still had to get a series of vaccinations to move and participate in various areas of society

this whole argument about you losing freedom is hyperbolic - you dont have any less freedom than you had in 2019 .....and the freedom that you did have is dependant on the laws and the govt recognizing and abiding you your freedom

ultimately your freedom aint really free- the reality is your freedom is just what the govt allows you the ability to do or not do...

 

[MenacingMonk]

no

but if youre gonna tell it - tell it correctly - we arent living in a police state because of a vaccine mandate now, than we were living in one in 2019 and before, when you still had to get a series of vaccinations to move and participate in various areas of society

this whole argument about you losing freedom is hyperbolic - you dont have any less freedom than you had in 2019 .....and the freedom that you did have is dependant on the laws and the govt recognizing and abiding you your freedom

ultimately your freedom aint really free- the reality is your freedom is just what the govt allows you the ability to do or not do...

I have more freedom than someone stuck in the Middle East or China.

We have a voice and if people actually took a stand we’d have more. But people who are content to live like sheep will continue to follow the herd.

 

[shonuff]

All the jobs I’ve had they’ve never asked for my vaccination records.

People are losing jobs over no vacs, which can be compared to the supposed jailing of the 1918 outbreak. If the gov vaccination has “been the same for years,” why wasn’t it like this during previous virus outbreaks over the past 30 years? Why haven’t they pushed the flu vaccine like this one? The flu is a killer and takes THOUSANDS of people a year. The fact is there’s discrimination going on.

the flu on its best year maybe took 50,000

this flu takes hundreds of thousands almost a million and has affected other sectors of the economy- damn walmart closed because too many of its workers were out - you have high prices and inflation because you dont have services and you cant get products to market and thats because you dont have adequate shipping because you dont have drivers- you have hospitals not performing surgeries and transplants because the beds are occupied with people infected with COVID requiring hospital care

ther isnt any discrimination goign on - you just dont like that a demadn is put on you -

to that i say (shrug) you dont live by yourself - you live in a society - and as a result - you wanna live here there shyt you gotta do that you maybe dont wanna do


you can argue about how much you pay in taxes - but you pay your taxes -
you can argue about how much you dont use schools or roads or you dont work for someone else but at the end of the day - youre able to do those things only in the context of you standard of living HERE

that said - this a virus that doesnt operate by the what persons may be comfortable with in personal agency or political philophy - and all that you typed above is a ideological philosophical argument...

thats got dikk to with the fact that testing and vaccincation has to occur for the country to get back to operating at a level that provides the standard of living that you say you want ...if poeople want to insist that getting vaccinated is a pesonal choice - it isnt because the personal choice to not be vaccianted provides the atmosphere and environment for this virus to keep hurting us

honestly you sound like one of thsoe people who insist on pounding down a diet of double cheeseburgers and milk shakes claiming its your freedom to do so and ignoring the fact that youre gonna get a heart attack or stroke eventually no mater how much you workout.....and be a liability because of your compromised health that you could have prevented.

 

[MenacingMonk]

the flu on its best year maybe took 50,000

this flu takes hundreds of thousands almost a million and has affected other sectors of the economy- damn walmart closed because too many of its workers were out - you have high prices and inflation because you dont have services and you cant get products to market and thats because you dont have adequate shipping because you dont have drivers- you have hospitals not performing surgeries and transplants because the beds are occupied with people infected with COVID requiring hospital care

You’re missing the point. The flu is a CONSISTENT killer. It’s been around for DECADES. If you say the “policies have been like this for years” then why hasn’t the flu vac been a mandatory shot like this one? By your logic it shoulda been mandatory many years ago.

 

[shonuff]

You’re missing the point. The flu is a CONSISTENT killer. It’s been around for DECADES. If you say the “policies have been like this for years” then why hasn’t the flu vac been a mandatory shot like this one? By your logic it shoulda been mandatory many years ago.

and youre missing the reality

the flu never affected other places or people in the numbers and severity of care that this virus has
so it wasnt neccessary to make it mandatory - now it is

what you very much dont want to acknowledge is the vaccines that ARE mandatory that you DO have to take and have taken ( unless you live in a shack in the woods someplace all your life and you never went to school ) - MMR mumps measles ruebella, polio, smallpox , whooping cough ... you have to have them - you get them whether you dont believe in the concept of mass vaccination or not because the concept of mass vaccinaction to prevent a disruptive disease has been the policy for decades...