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49% of people eligible got the flu shot in 2018 the goal is the 70% number

you never ever are going to get 70% of people to take a voluntary vaccine
This isn't the flu. :snoop:






How is it piss poor when the most vulnerable groups are damn near all been vaccinated at this point?

95% of Covid deaths were to people 50 and over

90

Because vaccination is not perfect and almost certainly not permanent. :why:

The Pfizer/Moderna vaccines have something like 90-95% effectiveness. Which means that if not enough people get vaccinated to create herd immunity, 5-10% of vaccinated people risk infection. Most of them will likely have a better immune response than they would without the vaccine, but some will die. On top of that, many of the unvaccinated people will get sick, and some will die, and that chart shows over 20% of even the most vulnerable group remain unvaccinated.

But the worst part is that the virus will continue reproducing robustly during these months, even without large #'s dying. Which mean that the moment any vaccinated individual's immunity starts to wear off, they risk immediate reinfection. Instead of achieving herd immunity and largely wiping out the disease, stopping new variants and giving us months of lead time before any new outbreak, we'll just have constant cycles of outbreaks with constant new variants arising.



the variants are just fear mongering at this point. Get vaccinated and get back to what you were doing pre pandemic
What does that even mean? Do you see what the fukk is happening in India right now? They thought they had Covid beat and now a new variant is fukking up the country major. The more the disease continues to replicate, the more new variants will arise, which will both increase spread and potentially increase deadliness as well as potentially necessitate new vaccines if the variant is different enough.

Do you just auto-reject any science that doesn't agree with what you want to hear?
 

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This isn't the flu. :snoop:





Because vaccination is not perfect and almost certainly not permanent. :why:

The Pfizer/Moderna vaccines have something like 90-95% effectiveness. Which means that if not enough people get vaccinated to create herd immunity, 5-10% of vaccinated people risk infection. Most of them will likely have a better immune response than they would without the vaccine, but some will die. On top of that, many of the unvaccinated people will get sick, and some will die, and that chart shows over 20% of even the most vulnerable group remain unvaccinated.

But the worst part is that the virus will continue reproducing robustly during these months, even without large #'s dying. Which mean that the moment any vaccinated individual's immunity starts to wear off, they risk immediate reinfection. Instead of achieving herd immunity and largely wiping out the disease, stopping new variants and giving us months of lead time before any new outbreak, we'll just have constant cycles of outbreaks with constant new variants arising.




What does that even mean? Do you see what the fukk is happening in India right now? They thought they had Covid beat and now a new variant is fukking up the country major. The more the disease continues to replicate, the more new variants will arise, which will both increase spread and potentially increase deadliness as well as potentially necessitate new vaccines if the variant is different enough.

Do you just auto-reject any science that doesn't agree with what you want to hear?
95% efficacy doesn’t mean 5% will get sick. Also why be concerned with unvaccinated people right now? If you want a shot, there’s thousands of open slots in every city and metro across the country, every day. If you don’t get it, that’s the risk associated with forgoing the vaccine. It’s quite clear the vaccines work, and work incredibly well, so if you have one you can pretty much start doing what you feel like doing
 

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95% efficacy doesn’t mean 5% will get sick.
I didn't say that it did.



Also why be concerned with unvaccinated people right now?
I just told you why. :dwillhuh:




If you want a shot, there’s thousands of open slots in every city and metro across the country, every day.
Yes, I got my first dose and 2nd is in a week. Already planning to go to the damn barber 3 weeks after my 2nd shot instead of buzzing myself all this time. And I'm sure as hell gonna be in-and-out and wearing a damn mask.



If you don’t get it, that’s the risk associated with forgoing the vaccine. It’s quite clear the vaccines work, and work incredibly well, so if you have one you can pretty much start doing what you feel like doing
I don't think you read anything I wrote. Can you actually address that rather than just repeating the same stuff that's already been said?
 

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I didn't say that it did.




I just told you why. :dwillhuh:





Yes, I got my first dose and 2nd is in a week. Already planning to go to the damn barber 3 weeks after my 2nd shot instead of buzzing myself all this time. And I'm sure as hell gonna be in-and-out and wearing a damn mask.




I don't think you read anything I wrote. Can you actually address that rather than just repeating the same stuff that's already been said?
That’s all that needs to be said. None of the variants dodge the current vaccines enough to worry about, and there’s only so many moves the virus can make. You’ve got your shot, you can move forward staying extra cautious, staying home, going out, wearing a mask outdoors, not wearing a mask outdoors, you can do you. Severe cases of even variants are eliminated almost entirely when vaccinated. You’re more at risk driving around Vegas during rush hour
 

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This isn't the flu. :snoop:





Because vaccination is not perfect and almost certainly not permanent. :why:

The Pfizer/Moderna vaccines have something like 90-95% effectiveness. Which means that if not enough people get vaccinated to create herd immunity, 5-10% of vaccinated people risk infection. Most of them will likely have a better immune response than they would without the vaccine, but some will die. On top of that, many of the unvaccinated people will get sick, and some will die, and that chart shows over 20% of even the most vulnerable group remain unvaccinated.

But the worst part is that the virus will continue reproducing robustly during these months, even without large #'s dying. Which mean that the moment any vaccinated individual's immunity starts to wear off, they risk immediate reinfection. Instead of achieving herd immunity and largely wiping out the disease, stopping new variants and giving us months of lead time before any new outbreak, we'll just have constant cycles of outbreaks with constant new variants arising.




What does that even mean? Do you see what the fukk is happening in India right now? They thought they had Covid beat and now a new variant is fukking up the country major. The more the disease continues to replicate, the more new variants will arise, which will both increase spread and potentially increase deadliness as well as potentially necessitate new vaccines if the variant is different enough.

Do you just auto-reject any science that doesn't agree with what you want to hear?

you’re right this isn’t the flu and more people have received the Covid vaccine than the yearly flu vaccine

we were never going to reach 70% of Americans getting a voluntary vaccine. Anyone thinking that is clearly blind and dumb

we have been hearing reports of the Uk variant for months and we have not seen an increase of deaths or hospitalization due to any variants in vaccinated people
 

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Oregon and Washington State having a jump in cases.

Still seems we're in the 60,000 per day range which was the spike last summer. Deaths under 1,000 per day.

In a couple months the case rate should drop into the 30,000-40,000 per day range like it was in September last year... and how much further depends on vaccinations..
 
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