Coup in Zimbabwe: 11/21 Mugabe resigns!

[jilla82]

Yet your idol loves Mugabe

I cant believe people actually respect this dude...
...he talks so confidently about shyt he knows nothing about.

In the comments he literally said Africans love oppression as long as its from white people

He's a one trick pony that only knows how to stick to the script...like a black Sean Hannity

 

[JBoy]

The military stepped in to reinstate the VP. If you think these n!ggaz are going to let anyone besides
Zanu-PF old guard run Zimbabwe then

Unfortauently you are probably almost certainly correct in this dim assessement.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

This is good news. Zim should be much better off than it is. Relatively well educated population, fertile land, commodities etc Mugabe and his family have been blatantly pillaging the country for decades and brehs abroad had no problem with it as long as he trolled the West

Especially when the West has been paying him for years for Black sites. He a pawn and a fraud

 

[TTT]

There are so many ironies in these events. The opposition in 2013 was pushing for security sector reforms to clip the militarization of institutions and ZANU PF was at the forefront at blocking them. The other issue was that the army general Chiwenga had a contract that either had expired or set to expire soon and he was certainly not getting renewed and Mugabe took his time to deal with it.

 

[TTT]

Unfortauently you are probably almost certainly correct in this dim assessement.

True, their press conference was mostly about internal ZANU politics. The problem was that ZANU PF under the G-40/Grace group were moving the party away from a predominant liberation based identity which the army had a huge stake in to one that was trying to capture the youth vote from the opposition.

 

[thatrapsfan]

True, their press conference was mostly about internal ZANU politics. The problem was that ZANU PF under the G-40/Grace group were moving the party away from a predominant liberation based identity which the army had a huge stake in to one that was trying to capture the youth vote from the opposition.

Problem is the MDC remains split, so they arent even in good position to benefit politically.

 

[Skooby]

Zanzibar

I was born in Zanzibar.

Do you still live there?

 

[TTT]

Problem is the MDC remains split, so they arent even in good position to benefit politically.

Yes they are also suffering from the same institutional weakness ZANU PF had, the inability to strengthen internal democracy. The fact is Tsvangirai and Mugabe are two of the recognizable names in Zim politics and they did not have strong challengers. Both parties like most in the region had the position of Secretary General which has always been considered a separate center of power. Mugabe gradually weakened that position to strengthen his position and Tsvangirai tried doing teh same. All the splits from the MDC emanated from that position. The issue of the army was serious but ZANU figured they would benefit, the other irony is that MDC weakness removed the one thing that unified ZANU and since 2013 have done minimal governing and more infighting.

 

[Red Shield]

The military stepped in to reinstate the VP. If you think these n!ggaz are going to let anyone besides
Zanu-PF old guard run Zimbabwe then

Of course not

Gonna have to wait for all the old guard to die off for that

 

[notoriusbig]

Do you still live there?

No, I live in London now.

 

[TTT]

Negotiations have apparently started



Don't see how they can get this without going full scale coup which the AU has already denounced. They would be better off seeking a transitional arrangement leading to new elections.

 

[thatrapsfan]

First photo of Mugabe all week and he looks like he's in power Military Chief looks like he's still serving him. Old man may survive this after:

 

[TTT]

First photo of Mugabe all week and he looks like he's in power Military Chief looks like he's still serving him. Old man may survive this after:

The issue is that the military knows it cannot be in charge, the days of coups being relatively accepted went with Cold war era politics. It's now a game of brinkmanship, Mugabe's hand is strengthened by the fact that Chiwenga cannot legitimately present himself as the defacto leader because SA can just push the region to isolate Zimbabwe. I am not sure they can force Mnangagwa back as VP because how will that relationship work, if the army fails how many of those guys will remain alive or even in the country. They had the head of the army and air force at their presser. They can try for limiting Mugabe's power but he will argue that he has the law on his side because he is empowered to take all the actions he took. The political side is all that is left, and if they continue to arrest Grace's allies like Jonathan Moyo and Kasukuwere who were the ring leaders they can live with a weakened Grace.

 

[thatrapsfan]

The issue is that the military knows it cannot be in charge, the days of coups being relatively accepted went with Cold war era politics. It's now a game of brinkmanship, Mugabe's hand is strengthened by the fact that Chiwenga cannot legitimately present himself as the defacto leader because SA can just push the region to isolate Zimbabwe. I am not sure they can force Mnangagwa back as VP because how will that relationship work, if the army fails how many of those guys will remain alive or even in the country. They had the head of the army and air force at their presser. They can try for limiting Mugabe's power but he will argue that he has the law on his side because he is empowered to take all the actions he took. The political side is all that is left, and if they continue to arrest Grace's allies like Jonathan Moyo and Kasukuwere who were the ring leaders they can live with a weakened Grace.

That Ncube tweet you referenced seems to suggest that Grace will have to leave the country. If so, I think the best case scenario for Mugabe is to remain President until that party conference in December, which would provide the opportunity to replace him with Mnangagwa legally while he gets a graceful exit. Im skeptical that the ruling party's dynamics can remain unchanged after the army's drastic move.

Edit, here's the latest:

 

[TTT]

That Ncube tweet you referenced seems to suggest that Grace will have to leave the country. If so, I think the best case scenario for Mugabe is to remain President until that party conference in December, which would provide the opportunity to replace him with Mnangagwa legally while he gets a graceful exit. Im skeptical that the ruling party's dynamics can remain unchanged after the army's drastic move.

Edit, here's the latest:

They are opening a huge can of worms there, eventually Mugabe would have to leave the country as well. Mugabe remaining President without Grace nor her allies would be the best outcome for the army and bringing back expelled ZANU members of Mnangagwa faction. Either way the soft landing is to make him a lame duck President. If he retains full power he would probably hang Chiwenga.